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AIBU for refusing to straighten my kids hair for my brothers wedding?

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dramaisalifestyle · Today 09:34

Next week is my brother's wedding. We are all super excited to welcome my sister-in-law to the family. Obviously this wedding has been planned for months now and up until yesterday I was under the assumption that my kids hairstyle during the wedding didn't really matter.

I have two DC (8 year old daughter, 4 year old son). They are half black, half white. I'm white, as is my extended family. My kids have really curly hair, my daughter has 4A hair and my son has 4B hair.

Yesterday my kids re-tried their outfits for the wedding, just to make sure the outfits still fit. My SIL asked for confirmation, so I sent her a text and I said that the kids outfits still fit. That's when she sent me a text in response asking me if I can straighten my daughters hair for the wedding, and if possible can I straighten my sons hair aswell. Now I've never straightened my kids hair in order to avoid heat damage, they are way too young to understand the damage that straightening their hair can cause. So I told my SIL that I'm not comfortable straightening their hair, but if she has any hairstyles in mind that would work for curly hair, just let me know.

She didn't respond for like 30 minutes. And then when she did respond she said that she thinks it's quite rude for me to try and dictate her wedding. And that she expects their hair to be straight on her wedding day. She said she won't tolerate their hair not being straight for the wedding.

I also got a text from my DM telling me to keep the peace and to just straighten their hair for this one occasion. However, I'm still reusing to straighten their hair, it's really unhealthy for their hair especially when they are too young to understand.

AIBU?

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narnia2025 · Today 14:20

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 14:16

Does something like this happen sure that doesn't mean this is 100% true. I've seen so many made up stories on reddit mumsnet etc and people did and keep making it up, why? I have no idea.

And I'm black btw so yes there are racist ignorant people, that doesn't mean every racist story on forums are true. there are people who for some reason make things up for drama.

The thing is the things people are pointing out as reasons that this is false are things I see all the time.

i have family members who would do anything to keep the peace. thus can mean that it causes more ripples and lashing effects.
dp has a sibling you literally can never get hold of. He keeps his phone on do not disturb and can take days to reply.

this may not be true but nothing she has said sounds completely out there.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 14:21

KittyPup · Today 11:59

I would take her insistence to mean that her perception is that your kids look scruffy the way you do their hair and it never looks like it’s been properly done. I wouldn’t say that it’s down to them being mixed race - if it was, she could have quietly insisted many months ago about not wanting flower girls etc. When cared for and styled properly, curly hair looks amazing.

JFC what an insulting post! OP has said that her kids' natural hair looks amazing and in no way scruffy.

As OP's brother wanted all his nieces and nephews included in the wedding, OP's future SIL couldn't leave them out but her racism is very clear in her messages to OP about their hair.

LakieLady · Today 14:21

Growingaseed · Today 10:26

But that's not my opinion. I don't think that.

I made it very clear that the OPs SIL is coming across as being a bit racist.

We don't know all the facts but from the post even giving her the benefit of the doubt it comes across as a bit racist - likely unintentionally. Which is due to ignorance.

I love that now I'm called dim and racist which is so ironic and entertaining if you knew me...

Edited

It's not "a bit" racist, it's just racist, period.

And it doesn't matter a jot if the racism is intentional or not, its impact is the same. In some ways, "unintentional" racism is worse, because it's so ingrained that the racist doesn't even realise they're being racist.

It's like those people who start a sentence with "I'm not racist but...." and then go on to come out with something appallingly racist.

samthepigeon · Today 14:21

I love curly hair! I never understood this straight-hair thing, but everyone is different. However, dictating whether someone curls/straightens their hair is out of order. Suggesting hair-dos is broadly ok, as in up/down/flowers in it etc but nothing else.

EsmeSusanOgg · Today 14:22

Bridezilla is racist as hell... Screenshot and send it to your brother and wider family. Yikes!

JustMyView13 · Today 14:23

Is DB ok? There’s still time for him to not marry a racist.

Kepler22B · Today 14:23

I know it would be really hard to do but if possible, give her a way out.

Yes, what she has said is racist, but people can learn and change. Which she won’t do if she gets her back up.

So any text you send shouldn’t mention racism. In her head she is not racist so her request isn’t racist. If she gets defensive she will double down.

It shouldn’t be on you to gently educate her, and if she wan’t family then I wouldn’t bother. But she could be in yours and your children’s lives a long time and if you think she is generally a decent person then it could be worth it.

EsmeSusanOgg · Today 14:24

dramaisalifestyle · Today 09:42

My niece has curly hair too. But my sister hasn't received a text from SIL about hair yet

Is that because your niece is white, perhaps?

I'd reconsider even going to the wedding honestly.

IHopeYouStepOnALegPiece · Today 14:25

dramaisalifestyle · Today 12:50

Okay! Slight update: I asked my sister to text our SIL. My sister said "Hey SIL, I'm just sorting out last minutes things for the wedding next week. The boys are getting a haircut soon, (nephews name) wanted a buzz cut but we said no 😂. For (nieces name), we are thinking about a half up half down hairstyle, to make sure everybody can see her lovely curls. Let me know what you think!"

SIL replied "That sounds great! I have a hair clip (Nieces name) can put in her hair to match the dress. Your mum has the hair clips at her house. See you soon"

So yeah. That was the conversation. My niece has blonde curly hair. 2C hair I think. Maybe 2B.

Your SIL is a racist cunt quite frankly

EsmeSusanOgg · Today 14:25

Kepler22B · Today 14:23

I know it would be really hard to do but if possible, give her a way out.

Yes, what she has said is racist, but people can learn and change. Which she won’t do if she gets her back up.

So any text you send shouldn’t mention racism. In her head she is not racist so her request isn’t racist. If she gets defensive she will double down.

It shouldn’t be on you to gently educate her, and if she wan’t family then I wouldn’t bother. But she could be in yours and your children’s lives a long time and if you think she is generally a decent person then it could be worth it.

Nah. There is no way SIL does not know she's being racist.

The person OP should be giving a way out is her brother - by not marrying a racist in the first place.

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 14:26

narnia2025 · Today 14:20

The thing is the things people are pointing out as reasons that this is false are things I see all the time.

i have family members who would do anything to keep the peace. thus can mean that it causes more ripples and lashing effects.
dp has a sibling you literally can never get hold of. He keeps his phone on do not disturb and can take days to reply.

this may not be true but nothing she has said sounds completely out there.

Well fair.

Giving the benefit of the doubt OP clearly knows this is racist and unacceptable and I'm surprised that she hasn't reached out to her brother yet irrespective of if he likes to be called or not.

As I said in one of my other posts this is beyond insisting that her kids will attend with their natural hair but actually calling her out for her racist demand and pulling out of the wedding. And if I was her sister I would be so mad I would be calling out SIL not playing pretend smiley texts.

Let's see what happens, when she comes back with an update.

EsmeSusanOgg · Today 14:28

dramaisalifestyle · Today 12:50

Okay! Slight update: I asked my sister to text our SIL. My sister said "Hey SIL, I'm just sorting out last minutes things for the wedding next week. The boys are getting a haircut soon, (nephews name) wanted a buzz cut but we said no 😂. For (nieces name), we are thinking about a half up half down hairstyle, to make sure everybody can see her lovely curls. Let me know what you think!"

SIL replied "That sounds great! I have a hair clip (Nieces name) can put in her hair to match the dress. Your mum has the hair clips at her house. See you soon"

So yeah. That was the conversation. My niece has blonde curly hair. 2C hair I think. Maybe 2B.

So it is as you thought. She is racist.

I hope the whole extended family is aware. I would.not be going to the wedding - and let everyone know. You and your family do not need to be around that level of bigotry.

Happyhettie · Today 14:29

It is racist. She is racist and your mum isn’t much better wanting to keep the peace. This is how racists get away with it.
What does your brother think about it? Does he know she’s said this?

I am not surprised your husband is livid. No one should be made to feel “less than” in any way shape or form and that is exactly what your soon to be SIL is doing to you and your family.

I would be telling people my family wouldn’t be attending and I’d be telling them why.
Quite honestly if I were your brother, I’d be calling the wedding off. There is no excuse for her comments.

Like another poster said, let’s hope his second wife isn’t as awful.

Pessismistic · Today 14:29

Oh op now’s the time to message her my dd will do half up and down and ds will stay as he is I don’t like the idea of straitened hair too much damage and I hope you accept this because I’m not going to change my mind.

IHopeYouStepOnALegPiece · Today 14:30

Kepler22B · Today 14:23

I know it would be really hard to do but if possible, give her a way out.

Yes, what she has said is racist, but people can learn and change. Which she won’t do if she gets her back up.

So any text you send shouldn’t mention racism. In her head she is not racist so her request isn’t racist. If she gets defensive she will double down.

It shouldn’t be on you to gently educate her, and if she wan’t family then I wouldn’t bother. But she could be in yours and your children’s lives a long time and if you think she is generally a decent person then it could be worth it.

Of course she knows she's being fucking racist. As much as racists are thick as shit, they still know they're being racist. Why on earth should the OP give her a way out

Livpool · Today 14:30

Tell her you won’t be doing it, she is racist!

EsmeSusanOgg · Today 14:31

ElsieJay · Today 13:56

Perfect response !

Apparently OP's niece who has curly hair - but is white - is allowed a normal hair do and not required to straighten her hair.

This is 100% racism.

RockyFraggles · Today 14:31

If she had just asked you to straighten your daughter's hair I might have thought she was just being a bridezilla and she wanted all girls/women in the bridal party to have the same hair style on the day and perhaps curly hair wasn't working with that. I've been to a couple of weddings where the bride and all bridesmaids had matching up dos.

However the fact she wants your son's straight as well shows this is actually racist and she doesn't want their natural hair on show.

And I've just seen your niece is allowed her hair curly despite being involved in the wedding just reinforces that further.

My son is white but has very curly hair and I'd be so upset if someone told me to straighten his hair as it's part of who he is so I can't imagine how you are feeling when it's not the curls that are the problem but the fact they are black hair curls

onmylastnerveseriously · Today 14:34

If this is real then I wouldn’t be attending the wedding. Will you still go OP?

DirtyBird · Today 14:35

I’m black and I find this highly offensive and racist.

If I were you I’d be tempted to buy straight hair wigs in blonde for the kids to wear and you wear and Afro wig and see how she likes that.

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 14:36

Pessismistic · Today 14:29

Oh op now’s the time to message her my dd will do half up and down and ds will stay as he is I don’t like the idea of straitened hair too much damage and I hope you accept this because I’m not going to change my mind.

To me we're past the point of insisting that her kids will come with whatever hair they want etc. @OldrNWisr said it best with her message below she needs to call her out and pull out immediately. Infact I would go as far as add the easiest connotation to make it even clearer in the message.

"My children are not dolls for you to dress up as you see fit.

“She said she won't tolerate their hair not being straight for the wedding.”

Then we won’t be attending. Have a wonderful day."

thepariscrimefiles · Today 14:36

dramaisalifestyle · Today 12:50

Okay! Slight update: I asked my sister to text our SIL. My sister said "Hey SIL, I'm just sorting out last minutes things for the wedding next week. The boys are getting a haircut soon, (nephews name) wanted a buzz cut but we said no 😂. For (nieces name), we are thinking about a half up half down hairstyle, to make sure everybody can see her lovely curls. Let me know what you think!"

SIL replied "That sounds great! I have a hair clip (Nieces name) can put in her hair to match the dress. Your mum has the hair clips at her house. See you soon"

So yeah. That was the conversation. My niece has blonde curly hair. 2C hair I think. Maybe 2B.

Ah so now you know. Your future SIL really is racist. That's really shitty for you and your family. I'm so sorry.

Do you know what you are going to do?

Fiftyandnotsonifty · Today 14:42

Kepler22B · Today 14:23

I know it would be really hard to do but if possible, give her a way out.

Yes, what she has said is racist, but people can learn and change. Which she won’t do if she gets her back up.

So any text you send shouldn’t mention racism. In her head she is not racist so her request isn’t racist. If she gets defensive she will double down.

It shouldn’t be on you to gently educate her, and if she wan’t family then I wouldn’t bother. But she could be in yours and your children’s lives a long time and if you think she is generally a decent person then it could be worth it.

Seriously 🤦🏻‍♀️ ffs

Whoevenknows79 · Today 14:43

JTK50 · Today 14:07

You have internalized racism but you can't see it, many Black people with internalized racism also think Afro hair in it's natural form is not neat and they view it as wild and "not styled well". It's why majority of Black women need to constantly hide their natural hair under a braid or gel down the edges to not show the Afro texture, chemically straighten it or wear straight wigs and weaves. I am a Black African woman and my observation is that white mums of mixed race kids simply leave the hair just be, they don't see it as not neat like you do, your lense is shaped by generational message that tells you Afro in it's natural form is unkept whilst white mums have not received that message, they love the Afro without any manipulation. It's why we usually see mixed race ppl often wear their natural hair compared to Black ppl who hide it under straight wigs or manipulate it with chemicals even though they both have the same Afro textured hair -type 4 or 3.

Thanks for your analysis of me @JTK50. Whilst I don't disagree with everything you say, in my opinion most hair, regards of race needs some level of grooming to keep it healthy, be that shampoo, conditioner, oils or just a comb! My hair would break if I didn't moisturise it! Obviously people can do as they please. As I said, I wouldn't straighten my children's hair in this instance and think the request is unreasonable.

katepilar · Today 14:44

Idontknownowwhat · Today 09:55

"I wont be white washing my children for your wedding. Incredibly hurtful, never mind racist suggestion I straighten their hair to make them palatable to you.
Its clear that we are unwelcome if we dont comply, so we wont be in attendance. Ill get the outfits back to you, so you can fill them with the straight haired kids of your dreams"

Id be burning all bridges over this. Next ones your mum. How can she not have the kids back in this?

I agree ever so much.

/I am white and have straight hair./

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