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AIBU for refusing to straighten my kids hair for my brothers wedding?

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dramaisalifestyle · Today 09:34

Next week is my brother's wedding. We are all super excited to welcome my sister-in-law to the family. Obviously this wedding has been planned for months now and up until yesterday I was under the assumption that my kids hairstyle during the wedding didn't really matter.

I have two DC (8 year old daughter, 4 year old son). They are half black, half white. I'm white, as is my extended family. My kids have really curly hair, my daughter has 4A hair and my son has 4B hair.

Yesterday my kids re-tried their outfits for the wedding, just to make sure the outfits still fit. My SIL asked for confirmation, so I sent her a text and I said that the kids outfits still fit. That's when she sent me a text in response asking me if I can straighten my daughters hair for the wedding, and if possible can I straighten my sons hair aswell. Now I've never straightened my kids hair in order to avoid heat damage, they are way too young to understand the damage that straightening their hair can cause. So I told my SIL that I'm not comfortable straightening their hair, but if she has any hairstyles in mind that would work for curly hair, just let me know.

She didn't respond for like 30 minutes. And then when she did respond she said that she thinks it's quite rude for me to try and dictate her wedding. And that she expects their hair to be straight on her wedding day. She said she won't tolerate their hair not being straight for the wedding.

I also got a text from my DM telling me to keep the peace and to just straighten their hair for this one occasion. However, I'm still reusing to straighten their hair, it's really unhealthy for their hair especially when they are too young to understand.

AIBU?

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BeetrootLentilsGoatsCheese · Today 11:18

SanFairyAnnie · Today 11:06

nothing wrong at all but plaits are Afro too

Why do you assume that their natural unplaited hair is untidy @SanFairyAnnie

EvilEdna44 · Today 11:18

Outrageous.
If she asked you to shave their heads and you refused, would that also be “trying to dictate her wedding” ?

Heronwatcher · Today 11:19

Mushr00mMagee · Today 11:16

And yet there are people I hear with racist tropes such as afro hair isn’t neat. These people exist. Even if the OP isn’t real, the commenters who essentially agree with the SIL are right here outing themselves in the thread. And it is always useful to know which names are racist.

If all real, OP you need to understand your sister is a racist. Firm no and if she won’t accept, don’t attend the wedding. Tell your mother to stand up for her grandkids. Screw them all to be honest.

Yes I am also horrified by the “maybe it looks crazy and you’ve just not realised”, “maybe it doesn’t fit the aesthetic”, “tone it down” or “maybe it’s not being kept very well” parade too. Why would that be your first assumption? And why wouldn’t it apply to everyone in the wedding party, and not just the OP’s kids?

Whoevenknows79 · Today 11:20

Growingaseed · Today 11:01

Which isn't my opinion. Once again I'm trying to understand the motivations of the SIL.

We don't know anything about the situation other than what the OP has shared.

If you can't even ask a basic question without being called a racist then there really is no having a conversation with some people. I'm not responding any more because you just want an argument.

Totally agree @Growingaseed

dramaisalifestyle · Today 11:20

Beachtastic · Today 11:16

I'd give anything for curls! Your SIL is mad 🤣

Right? Curly hair is amazing! I used to have curly hair but it has just been weighed down over the yesrs due to me not taking care of my hair properly. So my curly hair is very damaged and looks more wavy now. My niece has a similar hair texture to what my hair used to be like, but my sister is making sure my nieces hair doesn't get damaged.

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Mushr00mMagee · Today 11:20

Heronwatcher · Today 11:19

Yes I am also horrified by the “maybe it looks crazy and you’ve just not realised”, “maybe it doesn’t fit the aesthetic”, “tone it down” or “maybe it’s not being kept very well” parade too. Why would that be your first assumption? And why wouldn’t it apply to everyone in the wedding party, and not just the OP’s kids?

Someone called natural Afro hair ‘wild’. It’s shocking in this day and age, it shows how far we still have to go.

nc42day · Today 11:20

Absolutely fucking no way that would be happening.

I would make a WhatsApp group with her, and your DB in it, and write

Re the request to make the kids hair straight, just confirming again that it's not going to be straight. If that's an issue, and you'd rather we weren't there due to this, just let me know and I'll get the outfits back to you this evening so you can make alternative arrangements.

Thanks.

RichardMarxisinnocent · Today 11:20

Goldengamer · Today 11:11

Did she get back to you when you suggested non straight styles ? As someone with lots of friends of mixed race and Afro Caribbean origins ,(I live in a very multi cultural area) I see lots of different styles with the kids . Some keep them neat with braids and beads , some wild and free , a good friend of mine who is white and her hubby is black , says her daughter won’t sit still long enough to have it tidy so it’s really just a frizzy bouncy fluff ball which actually suits her but if she was a bridesmaid/ flower girl, I would want it toned down a bit . It could simply be she’s a bit ignorant about black hair and gone and looked at hairstyles online and thought it would look nice . And yes I know of some who do for special occasions straighten their kids hair but they use special Afro straighteners with lots of product when straightening but most of them say in this hot humid weather by the end of the evening it starts curling up again .
A lot on here are shouting racism , but as a bride she chose to include your lovely children and to get your son to carry the plaque in doesn’t immediately make me think she’s racist . Possibly a perfectionist and ocd about how she wants everything . Of course j could be wrong ….. but I think you need a proper chat with her and have it out with her

Please don't call afro textured hair wild just because it's loose/not braided, t's not appropriate. (you may or may not be aware that black people have in the past been told wearing their hair naturally is unprofessional, messy, wild etc)

nc42day · Today 11:21

Mushr00mMagee · Today 11:20

Someone called natural Afro hair ‘wild’. It’s shocking in this day and age, it shows how far we still have to go.

Agreed. This thread would be a great example to show anyone who denies that there is a massive issue with inherent racism rife and alive in this country.

Some reading for anyone that can't see the issue, Don't touch my hair by Emma Dabiri a good place to start.

LogicVoid · Today 11:22

Tell her you are not prepared to straighten their hair, "she may not be 'aware' that besides anything else it can be damaging". However, send her some images of the styles you did have in mind!

HoppingPavlova · Today 11:22

So inappropriate. Indeed so much so, that I’d give the whole wedding a swerve now that you know future SIL is disgraceful racist and brother is fine with that.

She is trying to whitewash your kids, stand firm for them. They may be disappointed in the short term, but when they are older and you honestly explain why you don’t see SIL/brother, they will thank for it.

TheSmallAssassin · Today 11:22

Soontobe60 · Today 10:28

It’s actually extremely common for a bride to say how she wants the bridal party - ie bridesmaids / flower girls - to have their hair styled. It’s part of the ‘look’ of the wedding. If they want the hair to be put into an updo, it’s usually straightened first.

I think not making unreasonable demands of the family you are joining is more important than the aeshetic.

Kids don't have updoes, especially boys. I think telling anyone to straighten their hair is unreasonable, the bride needs to get over herself.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 11:22

Goldengamer · Today 11:11

Did she get back to you when you suggested non straight styles ? As someone with lots of friends of mixed race and Afro Caribbean origins ,(I live in a very multi cultural area) I see lots of different styles with the kids . Some keep them neat with braids and beads , some wild and free , a good friend of mine who is white and her hubby is black , says her daughter won’t sit still long enough to have it tidy so it’s really just a frizzy bouncy fluff ball which actually suits her but if she was a bridesmaid/ flower girl, I would want it toned down a bit . It could simply be she’s a bit ignorant about black hair and gone and looked at hairstyles online and thought it would look nice . And yes I know of some who do for special occasions straighten their kids hair but they use special Afro straighteners with lots of product when straightening but most of them say in this hot humid weather by the end of the evening it starts curling up again .
A lot on here are shouting racism , but as a bride she chose to include your lovely children and to get your son to carry the plaque in doesn’t immediately make me think she’s racist . Possibly a perfectionist and ocd about how she wants everything . Of course j could be wrong ….. but I think you need a proper chat with her and have it out with her

Can you really not see how racist & totally out of order the rude bride's request is?

Your own post is questionable too tbh...

SanFairyAnnie · Today 11:24

BeetrootLentilsGoatsCheese · Today 11:18

Why do you assume that their natural unplaited hair is untidy @SanFairyAnnie

I never used the word untidy. It was just a suggestion and up to the OP whether she agrees/disagrees.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 11:24

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Thank god you are a pretty lone voice with this interpretation of OP's SIL's request for OP's children to straighten their hair.

OP's sister's daughter has hair that is just as curly as OP's children's hair, but there has been no such request for her to straighten her hair. Do you just think that it is a coincidence that OP's sister's daughter is white and that her curls are acceptable in a way that OP's children's aren't?

I think that you are probably an apologist for racism but you don't have enough self-awareness to see it.

Tryagain26 · Today 11:24

Whoevenknows79 · Today 11:08

If it is looked after, but that is not always the case.

What do you mean by looked after?

wrongthinker · Today 11:25

Wow OP that is appalling! How dare she threaten you and try to control your children's appearance? How fucking rude!

I think I'd just tell her to fuck off, honestly. If it was my brother, I'd let him know we weren't going to be at his wedding, and the reason why. She's absolutely unreasonable/unhinged and your brother should maybe think twice about marrying her at all.

dramaisalifestyle · Today 11:25

TheSmallAssassin · Today 11:22

I think not making unreasonable demands of the family you are joining is more important than the aeshetic.

Kids don't have updoes, especially boys. I think telling anyone to straighten their hair is unreasonable, the bride needs to get over herself.

For my sons hair, he can't really have it in any other style apart from having his natural hair out. We could put his hair in a man bun too

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PoweredBySheerSpite · Today 11:26

As a mixed race woman this is absolutely a hill I would die on. Protect your children (and it sounds as if you will). Oh, and edited to say that my mum would have absolutely had us out of their if SIL couldn't behave herself.

sittingonabeach · Today 11:27

Schools have to be careful if they have a hair policy that they don’t discriminate when it comes to Afro hair, so saying it looks wild or too big could get them in trouble. Same should apply to outside school too

Mushr00mMagee · Today 11:31

dramaisalifestyle · Today 11:25

For my sons hair, he can't really have it in any other style apart from having his natural hair out. We could put his hair in a man bun too

I wouldn’t at all, unless he particularly wants to. This is your chance to show your children how to advocate for themselves and their natural beauty. Plus, if you let SIL take an inch now this will never go away. She won’t stop being racist overnight, if you change your kids hair it cements her viewpoint that she had to ‘neaten’ (whiten) things up. I wouldn’t do anything.

Merryoldgoat · Today 11:32

dramaisalifestyle · Today 11:25

For my sons hair, he can't really have it in any other style apart from having his natural hair out. We could put his hair in a man bun too

Please do this - I love a man bun. My youngest had a man bun when he was little but hated it after a while so we stopped.

Merryoldgoat · Today 11:34

Merryoldgoat · Today 11:32

Please do this - I love a man bun. My youngest had a man bun when he was little but hated it after a while so we stopped.

I meant just because I like man buns btw - not for any other reason.

WhatAMarvelousTune · Today 11:34

she thinks it’s quite rude for me to try and dictate her wedding

What an insane way for her to look at the world.

I would not, under any circumstances, be doing this. Even if it meant being uninvited.

Ask her how many white guests are having their hairstyle dictated to by her.

SereneGoose · Today 11:34

Can you get them a couple of really ridiculous wigs? Like clown ones or something?
This is about the most offensive request I've read and cannot be taken seriously.