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To be annoyed at the assumption that I am a Mrs?

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Cheeseandolivesplease · 20/07/2026 21:57

So I completed a update form at the dentist for myself and my daughter; the ones they routinely hand out. It didn't ask for my title, but I ticked the "married" box.
Next thing I know, my name pings up on the screen as Mrs .
Just no!!
At the end of my appointment I went to ask for it to be corrected, but AIBU to be annoyed at the assumption?
A bit like the thread today referring to the new prime minister's wife as Mrs Burnham. She is Ms van Heel.

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Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 09:25

@Mermaidmusing Fair enough. What would you call yourself if you ever married?

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Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 09:31

@walrushurricane Well clearly being married - to a man - is far more important to declare than years of hard work and blood, sweat and tears to become a Dr or Professor.
Worse still - as a Ms they might (wrongly) assume I am divorced or a lesbian.
We must indicate to the world we are married to a man and show that we are proud of that at all times.

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Mermaidmusing · 23/07/2026 09:35

walrushurricane · 23/07/2026 09:24

So okay to "crow" about being married but not okay to "crow" about actual achievements. 😂

Well I’m not married so I don’t crow about anything! The difference is that we are routinely asked to give a title when filling out forms, enrolling for things, etc, and traditionally for women, that has been a choice of Miss/Mrs and latterly Ms. Rightly or wrongly. No need whatsoever to use a title that tells us your academic achievement. That is showing off.

No problem with Dr for a MEDICAL doctor, or Rev for a vicar, those are professional titles.

Personally I think Spanish has the best solution where Senorita and Senora are used, based mainly on age, with Senora being more respectful.

Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 09:38

@Mermaidmusing So if you married, you and your wife would be what titles?
It makes me smile when people have argued that all lesbians use Ms. Absolute rubbish! I know quite a number of married lesbian couples and they have all chosen Mrs and Mrs.

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Mermaidmusing · 23/07/2026 09:39

Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 09:25

@Mermaidmusing Fair enough. What would you call yourself if you ever married?

Good question! I was engaged some time ago and considered this. I would still be ‘Ms’ and I wouldn’t change my surname. But that’s partly because I have an unusual surname and partly feeling too old to change at my age!

walrushurricane · 23/07/2026 09:41

Mermaidmusing · 23/07/2026 09:35

Well I’m not married so I don’t crow about anything! The difference is that we are routinely asked to give a title when filling out forms, enrolling for things, etc, and traditionally for women, that has been a choice of Miss/Mrs and latterly Ms. Rightly or wrongly. No need whatsoever to use a title that tells us your academic achievement. That is showing off.

No problem with Dr for a MEDICAL doctor, or Rev for a vicar, those are professional titles.

Personally I think Spanish has the best solution where Senorita and Senora are used, based mainly on age, with Senora being more respectful.

Dr is also one of the titles in the options when routinely asked though. It's never not offered as an option. That is why some women choose it because they would rather do that than pick a title that is based on marital status. Why should they pick a title that causes assumptions on marital status rather than one based on academic qualifications? Also Dr is a professional qualification if you work in academia and they were doctors first. Medical doctors were given the title later on.

HollaHolla · 23/07/2026 09:46

Mermaidmusing · 23/07/2026 09:05

I always find it pretentious for anyone with a PhD to title themselves ‘Dr’. I know a few people who do this and I resolutely continue to address birthday cards, etc to Mr, not Dr. Why show off about your academic qualification, who cares?? Same with people who put BA/BSc etc after their name. It’s cringey. It’s a degree, loads of us have one, it’s not amazing.

IMO, ‘Dr’ should only be used by qualified medical doctors, who merit the additional respect the title bestows. Not someone with a PhD in Medieval Basket Weaving Techniques or Idolatry in Ancient Egypt.

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I work in Higher Education - we use Dr at work. It's not something I roll out on the daily, outside work; just when I feel arsey, when folks won't use Ms!
Anyway, historically, the PhD Dr is the 'real' one, and the Medical Dr is just a custom and practice thing (started in the 1700s in Edinburgh.) Given it took me 4.5 years, alongside full-time work, and nearly caused a breakdown, to gain my PhD, I'll use it when I feel like it. 😂

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 09:48

walrushurricane · 23/07/2026 09:09

I think men are more likely to be effected as you might be able to prove they are medically unable to consumate. I think if someone doesn't want to annual the marriage they would just refuse medical details though.

Annulment because of non-consummation shouldn't even be an option.

Nobody has the right of access to another person's body. No-one.

If I married and my dh refused to have sex after the ceremony I'd be disappointed but I'd respect that it was his body and his choice , he should also respect that it was not something I could live with.

It's nobody's fault that's why I'd ask for a no-fault divorce.

walrushurricane · 23/07/2026 09:51

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 09:48

Annulment because of non-consummation shouldn't even be an option.

Nobody has the right of access to another person's body. No-one.

If I married and my dh refused to have sex after the ceremony I'd be disappointed but I'd respect that it was his body and his choice , he should also respect that it was not something I could live with.

It's nobody's fault that's why I'd ask for a no-fault divorce.

Fair enough but what is that to do with titles?

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 09:54

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QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 09:59

walrushurricane · 23/07/2026 09:51

Fair enough but what is that to do with titles?

Because the OP is OK with this ancient, archaic bit of law but gets upset if somebody calls her Mrs.

To my mind, the former is far worse owing to the implication that somebody now owns your body because you married them.
Far worse than being called Mrs.

walrushurricane · 23/07/2026 10:03

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 09:59

Because the OP is OK with this ancient, archaic bit of law but gets upset if somebody calls her Mrs.

To my mind, the former is far worse owing to the implication that somebody now owns your body because you married them.
Far worse than being called Mrs.

I doubt the archaic bit you are talking about has effected anyone negatively though. I bet it has only been used by religious people who want to use it to avoid divorce and that's up to them. I've only known Catholics to get an annulment so they can remarry in church and they didn't use non consummation. And it effects nen and women equally.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 23/07/2026 10:24

Sunseaandtea · 23/07/2026 00:49

Interestingly, I enjoy the fact my DH is a good looking manly man with an amazing understanding of women.

The fact I'm happy to be his Mrs is combined with his happiness to be my Mr. We are equal in the fact he is a man & I am a woman & we both accept each other. Above all we both accept our differences as both a male & a female. If the term in marriage is Mr & Mrs then it suits the majority of married men & women & will no doubt continue to do so.

He isn’t ‘your Mr’ in the same way though is he? He was already that same Mr before you met. He would be that same Mr if he divorced you. He will always be that same Mr.

You became ‘his Mrs’ when you got married.

Not the same.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 23/07/2026 10:31

Sunseaandtea · 22/07/2026 18:34

"marriage free" I've heard it all now
😂

I like it. The emphasis for me here is “free”. Very apt!

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 10:33

Wishitwasstraightforward · 23/07/2026 10:24

He isn’t ‘your Mr’ in the same way though is he? He was already that same Mr before you met. He would be that same Mr if he divorced you. He will always be that same Mr.

You became ‘his Mrs’ when you got married.

Not the same.

She's proud to be associated with him and is proud to be called a title that says they're married.
That's not hard to understand.

The cynic in me cannot help but think that some women would not object too strongly (politely pointing it out that you prefer to be called Ms is different) about being called Mrs if they were married to Brad Pitt.

Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 11:01

@QuintadosMalvados Well I don't fancy Brad Pitt in the slightest. But if I was married to him I would still absolutely be Ms MyName! Might consider Ms MyName-Pitt though...
Are you suggesting for those of us who are Ms, we are "disasocciating" ourselves with our husbands (or something as equally misogynistic?)

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Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 11:04

@Wishitwasstraightforward What's a "manly man" in your opinion? Are only "manly men" good looking? 😀

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Muffsies · 23/07/2026 11:04

Mermaidmusing · 23/07/2026 08:52

When ‘Ms’ first became a thing around the 80s, my late mother, born in the 30s, was not impressed. She announced that married women were ‘Mrs’, unmarried women were ‘Miss’ and that ‘Ms’ was “only for divorcees and lesbians”! She didn’t particularly approve of the latter 2 categories! 😂 😂

Nothing like shaming or "othering" women who want to change outdated conventions.

My dad was born in the 30s, he'd think your mother was practically victorian with that attitude.

walrushurricane · 23/07/2026 11:08

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 10:33

She's proud to be associated with him and is proud to be called a title that says they're married.
That's not hard to understand.

The cynic in me cannot help but think that some women would not object too strongly (politely pointing it out that you prefer to be called Ms is different) about being called Mrs if they were married to Brad Pitt.

Ironic you mention Brad pitt as I think all his wives (or ex wives) kept their own name so probably would have been ms and it certainly didn't mean that they were not associated with him.

Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 11:39

@walrushurricane And of course both Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston were/are both very attractive and successful actors in their own right. Neither name changed.

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Wishing14 · 23/07/2026 11:44

This is ridiculous.

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 11:45

Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 11:01

@QuintadosMalvados Well I don't fancy Brad Pitt in the slightest. But if I was married to him I would still absolutely be Ms MyName! Might consider Ms MyName-Pitt though...
Are you suggesting for those of us who are Ms, we are "disasocciating" ourselves with our husbands (or something as equally misogynistic?)

Brad Pitt is obviously shorthand for a man who is deemed to be extremely attractive.
Does not have to be Brad himself.

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 11:51

Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 11:39

@walrushurricane And of course both Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Aniston were/are both very attractive and successful actors in their own right. Neither name changed.

So?
They're exceptionally famous actresses.
They're not going to change their stage names.
They're not Mrs, sorry, Ms Average are they?

Cheeseandolivesplease · 23/07/2026 11:54

@QuintadosMalvados You're digging yourself an even deeper hole here. So the "average" woman aspires to be a Mrs Hisname then do they?
And they did not just retain their "stage names" btw - they retained their legal names.

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EvieBB · 23/07/2026 11:59

QuintadosMalvados · 23/07/2026 11:51

So?
They're exceptionally famous actresses.
They're not going to change their stage names.
They're not Mrs, sorry, Ms Average are they?

Exactly

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