To be sick to death of Andy Burnham already

[Viviennemary]

I'm sick to death already of seeing Andy Burnham and hearing his voice. And he isnt even PM yet. Come back Keir Starmer. All is forgiven. I dont know how I'm going to suffer 3 or four more years of him in charge. Playing the part of the working class hero who is going to save the country. Give me strength.

” Andy Burnham wanted to take over on a wave of hope, good vibes and a promise to end the culture of infighting that sank Keir Starmer. Extraordinarily, that optimism is fading before he’s even taken office. — Even some Burnham supporters are already concerned his transition into No10 has been dominated by indecision, a policy vacuum and a power grab by his inner circle. At the centre of it is the remarkable falling out with Ed Miliband and a growing rebellion on the Labour soft-left, the faction that fought to get him the job in the first place.”

ive been a Labour voter and member all of my adult life, but I’d never vote for Burnham. So I’d be politically homeless even if a GE was called.

He could have given his MPs a hint of an intention, a gentle beginning of an idea, something to tidy them over the weekend?

You never quite question your leaders, do you?

When do Farage and Kemi get to come out of hiding?

He might have done that, we don't know.

I never question 'my' leaders? Hmm, you might want to read more of my posts.

In Burnham's case, I will wait.

The petitions for a GE started the day Labour was elected as did the Starmer out shouts. Same now with Burnham.

That was what my comment was about.

We have no choice but to accept Burnham’s opportunism - the joke is therefore on the electorate.

Burnham could not beat red Ed or the disaster that was Corbyn, in leadership contests. But Labour MPs, as one of the weakest cohorts in years, want to retain their salaries and pensions, so that takes precedent over everything else.

No one is saying Burnham isn't an astute politician. I think for many of his MPs the hope is "gis a job", then we''ll see.

Cameron went to the EU and told members that a Brexit was a real possibility if he was unable to negotiate fresh terms of engagement.
He wanted a suspension of free movement, or at the very least a lengthy suspension of EU workers having full in-work rights.
He also asked for a suspension of in-work benefits for EU workers of, I believe, four years?
He wanted to be able to deport unemployed EU nationals, or those that were a burden on the state (through benefits, use of the NHS, schools etc).
He wanted to end benefit tourism.

There was other stuff too. My memory isn’t what it was!

The EU refused.

The referendum took place.

The rest is history.

I think you can apply that to all parties.

He will be slaughtered if he strays too far from the last GE manifesto.

It was.

Of course it’s always possible that he’s a Liz Truss style flash in the pan and only lasts a few months. That would be amazing.

The Parliamentary Labour Party and Labour members have gone full throttle for Andy Burnham due to the catastrophic local election results with Reform in the ascendency. Starmer had become deeply unpopular with the electorate, including lots of Labour voters. There was no way that he would be able to lead the party into the next General Election.

The Conservatives have had six different leaders since 2016. The Labour party has had three.

Andy Burnham has a lot of parliamentary and ministerial experience as well as being a very popular and successful Mayor of Manchester. He is obviously much more comfortable in his own skin than Starmer and can relate to people better than Starmer can. I'll reserve judgement for now.

None of my fellow party members were going full throttle for Burnham. We’re horrified at what’s happened. But the party is large, so no doubt there were some enthusiasts for him. Personally, I hope that Burnham fails and that he fails quickly and spectacularly. The party will then see him for what he is, a grubby opportunist.

Kemi is coming out of hiding tomorrow, to be interviewed by Laura Keunsberg (?sp).

Are they about to be PM?

His party saw the writing on the wall in the end. It only took two years but it was up to them. Blaming others also didn’t work for Starmer.

I hadn't realised she'd ever been hiding. In the Commons and out of the street, she's been very vocal and in a strategic way - with purpose.

We’re always getting told that London and the SE pay for the rest of us, so my post was in that context. It’s good to hear the other side of that.

Very good for the country to have another PM. Can't wait.

Here’s a scenario - it might seem familiar to many of you.

The premise: At the next election, it is now entirely plausible that Reform will be elected to government and Farage becomes PM.

After two years the electorate are sick of him and Reform's polling numbers are plummeting. So Reform decide to replace him with a more populist leader (like Labour just did).

They find an ultra safe seat and persuade a Reform MP to step down, forcing a by-election (like Labour just did). They choose a candidate who they know will win the by-election. (Just like Labour did). It is Tommy Robinson.

Then through a concerted pressure campaign, Reform MP's coerce the prime minister to resign. (Like Labour just did). And then they elect, uncontested, their brand new MP to be PM. (Like Labour just did).

Tommy Robinson is now PM.

I fear Labour have just set a new norm for political bait-and-switch. I know a lot of people are unhappy about what has happened, but not enough people are deeply alarmed by what has just happened.

None of what he asked were points that the EU could reasonably agree to because it fundamentally undermined its principles. By the way, I don't believe he ever asked for EU workers not having full in-work rights. If you work in this country and you pay your taxes like everyone else, you should not have diluted rights regardless or your nationality and status. Migrant workers have the same employment rights and entitlements as British workers- discrimination in the workplace isn't something that is tolerated in UK employment law, nothing to do with EU membership.

As a lifelong floating voter with no political allegiances, just a myriad of policy preferences on which I base my vote, I'm happy to give Burnham a chance.

Despite living in a poor area/neighbourhood in the SW I'm pro 'Northern Powerhouse and de-centralising from London. Despite being a mortgage-paying, NMW working 63 year old I am very, very pro the biggest increase in social home building since the 2 world wars.

Preferably by requisitioning a lot of the private developer owned land with planning permission for ridiculous amounts of overpriced badly built housing that is currently ruining the adjacent countryside.

Burnham is just another complete cunt taking over from the previous one.