To be sick to death of Andy Burnham already

[Viviennemary]

I'm sick to death already of seeing Andy Burnham and hearing his voice. And he isnt even PM yet. Come back Keir Starmer. All is forgiven. I dont know how I'm going to suffer 3 or four more years of him in charge. Playing the part of the working class hero who is going to save the country. Give me strength.

This sums up the problem absolutely. This is pure, unadulterated nostalgia, you have looked at one or two areas where circumstances are similar and made the assumption that if you apply the same solution it will all magically work.

Keynesian theory depends on people working, and after the war there were jobs that needed doing to rebuild the country. Millions of ‘ordinary’ jobs no longer exist and for others it’s too easy for too many people to opt out of doing them. Thinking we can just build up an industrial base to compete with China is fantastical.

. Only someone who didn’t live through the 1970d would be deluded enough to want to recreate that time.

Well, as much as I don’t necessarily agree with his methods, everyone was banging on about a change in leader.

And now we have one, still not happy.

I think that’s because what some mean, is actually a change in government. But like I said, democracy.

Lots of people spent 14 years under a government they didn’t vote for, and have had a Brexit they didn’t want either. But that’s how our voting system works - win some, lose some.

The 40% of the electorate who didn’t vote in 2024, maybe should have, and they might have been more likely to get the answer they wanted but didn’t vote for.

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Unclench your buttocks, you won’t catch ‘Northern’ because the PM is from the North.

Hopefully tomorrow we will have some idea what Burnham is actually planning to do! I don't really understand why so many Labour MPs are coming out to support him but are unable to say anything about what they are supporting him to do!

I hope he makes gravy free.

Makes laws around whether bread buns are baps or rolls.

Gives out Eccles cakes at breakfast clubs.

Changes the national anthem to the Blaydon Races.

The gravy train is already freely available to most people!

Wouldn’t know - like many people I qualify for sweet FA.

No gravy here!

I understand that many of the new intake were drawn into standing for Labour as they had experience in, for example, housing. They feel they have something to give in a ministerial or aide role. They were not chosen so now many are hoping to get a more significant part in the new administration. The facts are they are a casualty of their own success - there are not enough positions for all of these aspirations.

He didn't arrive with all the countries political, social and economic problems 2 years ago though did he?

Absolutely. There are two ways to manage budget deficiencies. Extra economic growth. Extra economic growth, or cutting the budget. Most businesses work by borrowing money to generate economic growth and paying back the loan out of the extra economic growth (generated by the loan). That's how Britain became prosperous after WW2. It was called the post-war settlement, and all the mainstream political parties supported it. Burnham is proposing the same approach. It worked before. Most Britons think that the politics of the recent past haven't greatly benefited the majority. It's a failure of politics and vision. Amongst all the current political parties.

I've not heard anyone else say the problem Labour have is too much talent.

Most are saying quite the opposite.

I’ll pop over, I do think that despite BJ being a buffoon he doesn’t deserve vilification.

The Conservatives won four GE’s during 2010-2019.

In the space of two years Labour have become deeply unpopular - polling 20% currently?

The dissatisfaction you mention, is for good reason. Burnham will not be able to address it.

That’s hilarious - Labour, full of talent.

Genuinely LOL.

Ah, so blaming the Tories.

Do you propose we give Labour 14 years, then. Starmer wanted ten years, didn’t he?

I was born in 1955. And therefore experienced the 1970's. Many economists share the view that there are different approaches to managing the economy. I think making assumptions about me and describing me as deluded is more delusional than the points I have made here. Which are all supported by the historical record. As opposed to the personal opinions and insults expressed by yourself.

We all understand the point you’re trying to make. Some of us just don’t agree.

The thread is nearly full, so once more slowly, for those at the back.

You may not support political violence, you may genuinely believe that. However, when we up the rhetoric, when we use terms that imply violence or illegality this plays into the political atmosphere of violence. When people claim ‘ this isn’t democratic’ when they mean I don’t understand or I don’t like it it ups the anti.
The claims of lack of democracy and election theft led to Jan 6th in the US. Words led to violence. Keyboard warriors amped up the discussion and it resulted in violence. It has happened in a democracy not too unlike our own.

You may not want violence but words matter, the meaning of words matter, listen to Sarah Sackman explain the impact of language on her life as an MP.

No one has advocated violence by saying - I want to attack whoever - but the political atmosphere is created by discussions on SM. We create the political eco system, this thread is part of that. Take care using casual terms that you don’t ’mean like that’ but actually literally do mean violence.

Or you could ignore me, ignore Sarah Sackman and tut when something bad happens because it’s nothing to do with you because you didn’t mean it like that.

You don’t agree being an MP is dangerous? You don’t agree words matter? You don’t agree words lead to violence? You think people using language incorrectly and using violent metaphors has no real life implications?

I’m going to take the ignoring option. I find your position really quite strange. But each to their own.

It’s a pretty mainstream opinion, it’s widely discussed on political podcasts, many MPs mention it regularly. It’s a common discussion point in the US and the U.K. many are trying to reclaim the middle ground and thoughtful, considered language.

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There is no way any manufacturing is coming back to the UK, of most of Europe for that matter, in any significant scale.
China has spent the last 20 years improving their engineering and quality.
When price matters, we cannot compete.

Sensible this poster is the only person who appears to be trying to shoe horn violence into every response.