To be sick to death of Andy Burnham already

[Viviennemary]

I'm sick to death already of seeing Andy Burnham and hearing his voice. And he isnt even PM yet. Come back Keir Starmer. All is forgiven. I dont know how I'm going to suffer 3 or four more years of him in charge. Playing the part of the working class hero who is going to save the country. Give me strength.

What a depressing thread. So little criticism is based on anything with substance. Comments about his personality based on little to no evidence, insults and profound misunderstanding.

More than happy to debate politics, but this isn’t that. This is childish name calling and yes the other side do it as well but that doesn’t make it right.

This type of point scoring, name calling nonsense is in part what is wrong with U.K. politics. We blame politicians but we also need to take a long hard look at ourselves. Seven PMs in 10 years, the latest not even in post and there are calls for another one based on the thinnest of evidence.

😂That's conjured up a wonderful image of a very genteel protest with polite and neatly written slogans on quality placards

Why the measure against other MPs? Can a Labour PM never be critiqued without making reference to Farage? Those politicians have been done to death.

Just checked back on this thread and I burst out laughing that we’re still discussing the word coup. It’s actually surreal 😆

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I think the truth is that no one else was ever considered or manoeuvred into the position. It was a team concerted effort of over a year.

Ok so he’s planning to increase foreign aid (money we borrow to give to others) by about 6 billion, NHS dentistry’s budget is 4billion. If you are going to be spendy at least spend it in the UK.

Also yes if he increases taxes it can cause a problem if you suddenly find people work fewer hours, or choose not to invest in the Uk or move their operations out of Britain whilst you are racking up spending. It’s not a fixed pie and the money is not obliged to stay in the UK.

We lost a bunch of millionaires last year which wouldn’t be a problem expect for the fact that the top 10% of earners pay 60% of the income tax in the UK. The average millionaire pays 140k in tax the median worker pays about 6k. You need 23 new median workers to replace each millionaire we lose which is difficult because the UK has almost 100k fewer jobs than it did last year.

Labour are just utterly stupid tbh, their policies are stupid, their stupid Mp’s don’t understand why the bond markets are important, the stupid chancellor seems to not understand that if you tax stuff you will get less of it and she still went ahead and taxed jobs.

I don’t really care about peoples ideological positions, they are becoming extremely boring to me. I only care that it works and Labour are incompetent.

Which comments are you referring to?

Hilarious that you never addressed the deeper point about political violence? Rolling around laughing at the rising threats to U.K. politicians. The issue was a word but the point was wider. Sometimes one word can highlight a wider issue - that’s not that complicated a point is it?

Again, this thread is depressing.

How long are you suggesting we wait, please?

Starmer has already burned through two years, bear in mind.

I think the PP is arguing with themselves tbh.

It’s not complicated at all, but it is a bit daft. I suspect that it’s the sort of thing that keeps academics awake at night, but isn’t really a thing in the real world.

@PliuD ”Is it not possible, for the good of the country, to let the man get on and do his job and save the judgement for later?”

Exactly what was said about Starmer.
Let him get on and do his job.

We could always wait until he’s actually started doing the job?

Starmer burned through 2 years because Labour were elected which meant he was. By the public. In a vote.

He didn’t just turn up and start running the country.

We did what we always do. Voted the party and therefore the leader in, gave it about 5 minutes, and then started complaining.

I really don’t understand why Burnham was the great Labour hope that triggered all the plotting.

I’m not saying he’s useless just because Labour MPs believe in him. It’s that it’s hard to see what the attraction is in him: what was so great about him a decade and more before, and what’s he done in the nine years of not being an MP and 16 years of not being in or anywhere near Westminster government that makes him likely to be an able Prime Minister?

Maybe he’ll be good. But if so it would be luck on Labour MPs’ part to back him, not judgement.

I can see that not being Starmer is a starting point. But there has to be more than that. A forgettable and unremarkable figure when in government and twice-failed leadership contender who’s been the mayor of a solidly Labour city ever since doesn’t exactly shout success at leading the country.

Starmer being boring isn’t why he’s out. There were bigger problems for him than that.

Sorry, but this is not correct.

Two thirds of the electorate did not vote for Labour in 2024.
Secondly, Starmer presided over one policy u-turn after another, whilst dealing with the fallout from various appointees, including Mandy. He was taken out by his own cabinet and MP’s for good reason.

Tell the electorate and poor tax payer that they need to wait.

Good luck with that.

Because growing concern on the financial management of the UK increases the rate at which Labour can borrow. Increased borrowing costs can lead to unraveling of financial spending plans, leading to a greater lack of confidence, and higher lending costs. Take a look at what happened to Greece, why the IMF needed to come in; and the savage cuts needed to stabilise the economy.

The people who did vote evidently did give Labour a majority, or we wouldn’t have a Labour government.

If you mean that two thirds of the country didn’t vote for them, then fine, but that includes people who didn’t vote, and therefore actually selected nobody.

We have elections for a reason. Use them to use your voice.

Unfortunately, that sometimes means losing. Because democracy.

But not waiting longer than it takes for someone to actually start the job is fairly dramatic.

Anyone interested, I’m just listening to Sarah Sackman MP on the Newsagents podcast and she is explaining, eloquently what I am trying to say. We need to take care how we engage in political debate, she explains the threats she gets and the level of violence in those threats. Being an MP is a dangerous game these days.
Be careful keyboard warriors or you get literal violence when it is too late to claim you didn’t really mean it like that and it was all just a joke.

He hasn't even done anything yet! Chill!

As I have said previously, the media, the markets, the polls all weigh on a government - despite a number of MNer’s maintaining they don’t. Burnham will likely get a small relief bounce in the polling numbers, but his honeymoon will be very short.

If he moves to the left, he’s toast. And he will be forced to the left by the back benches and the unions. We all know it.

What a poisoned challice he has grasped.

Jan 6 th wasn’t real. The death of Ann Widecombe wasn’t real? Two dead MPs didn’t happen? The violence is real, the dangerous rhetoric is real. It’s a bit daft will look a bit daft if we drift into violence because we couldn’t control our language, listen to the podcast I mention in another post. It’s not just me saying this, it is becoming a significant political issue.

There’s a Johnson thread running that is filling up with some strong words. More than this one, I’m yet to see any mind the tone posts, you could be first though.

Listen, please.

Who is advocating violence on here? I have seen nobody doing so, nobody.