To be sick to death of Andy Burnham already

[Viviennemary]

I'm sick to death already of seeing Andy Burnham and hearing his voice. And he isnt even PM yet. Come back Keir Starmer. All is forgiven. I dont know how I'm going to suffer 3 or four more years of him in charge. Playing the part of the working class hero who is going to save the country. Give me strength.

So should we only have PMs who don't want the job then? Unambitious self deprecating wall flowers who have to be dragged into office whimpering "Who me? No, no, I'm not worthy..."? Surely wanting the job is an absolute basic. As is a sense of ambition, given that's what drives hard work.
What plots, schemes and back stabbing has he done?

If Burnham had any decency he would have joined Starmer’s cabinet and supported him as the elected leader of the Labour Party. But the only thing that Andy Burnham thinks about is Andy Burnham. He genuinely seems to think he’s a kind of messianic saviour.

That tinny annoying version outside no 10 was a bad omen for Starmer. The song I mean.

I had to laugh at the Benny Hill theme tune for Boris, though!

Played by that annoying paid agitator. I can't even be arsed to type his name.

I’m half inclined to see what’s up with Burnham before passing judgement.

It doesn’t matter one jot what the UK does, climate change is quite literally baked in.

He tried twice running for the leadership and we were very clear that we didn’t want him. So he sat in Manchester, didn’t support Kier and latterly actively undermined him. Then he staged a coup, forcing out the duly elected leader of the party. He knew he’d never get to be leader of the party if the membership had any say in it, so he engineered a route that ignored us. It is all the same shenanigans that we criticised the Tories for because ‘we were different’. Turns out we’re not. I’m so sad to leave Labour after 25 years as a member, but Burnham’s not for me.

I think I am being reasonable when I say I’m absolutely sick and tired of people ‘hating’ politicians, to me these people are following the conspiracy theories and made up accounts that are written in newspapers and social media. The man isn’t even prime minister yet!
let’s see if he can do good.

Doesn't bode well though does it, his sudden claim to the top spot?

I'm all for snap shots and this fiasco makes him look a right grabby upstart.

Not as grubby and grabby as Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Aaron Banks and Cambridge Analytica with their interference in the Brexit referendum. Burnham is squeaky clean in comparison.

What - like the Nordic countries have?

Exactly right. I hope he crumbles quickly before he can do too much damage.

So you think it's fine for council bosses to push for a by election, purely for their ascent into Downing street and get in via the back door to become PM when the last time they were MP and had any kind of relevant experience was nearly ten years ago?! Well done King Andy he certainly played a blinder.

A couple of observations.

1. why does Angela Rayner’s Mancunian accent get described as common? And Andy Burnham’s Wool accent as fake? If you lived in that area of the country you would know there are plenty of doctors, teachers and plumbers with exactly the same accents. Nothing fake or common -and note the misogyny, that Rayners is common when Burnhams is fake. Does anyone say the same about Wes Streeting’s accent because he’s from the East End? Your southern bias is showing.
2. Burnham’s decision on the oil and gas in the North Sea helps preserve jobs especially in Scotland while we move to net zero. It never did have to be either/or except in Miliband’s mind.
3. All the people saying they don’t want career politicians. Do you say you don’t want career teachers to be headteachers? We had Starmer who wasn’t a politician until he was jettisoned in to be leader of the party and look how that ended. He was brilliant at management in sorting out the party but had no policies and didn’t understand how government worked. Burnham has worked in the Treasury, Health and the Cabinet Office and as Mayor has worked with politicians of all parties and with industry. Surely it’s as good a background as you are going to find anywhere? I’m not 100% sure yet but I’d like to see how he shapes up.
4. Finally if rumours are true about Rayner getting Health, or maybe a separate Social Care dept at least she’s worked in it !

Take Norway.

What differentiates it from the UK?

I'm not equating the stakes - clearly a world cup semi-final doesn't bear the same significance as a general election- I am comparing strategic mistakes leading to defeat. Sports, especially team sports like football provide us with good examples of strategic successes and failures. I hope I'm wrong but getting rid of Starmer when we most needed continuity and consistency might make things much more difficult in the next GE. The role of a football national team manager is to be strategic with his players. I see similar mistakes being made on the field and in party politics. It's not trivialising unless you think football is a mindless sport in which case you're an intellectual snob.

It's not up to it's eyes in debt despite having oil?

Did Starmer have a vision or discernible strategy?

If so, it was clearly lost on many of us.

It has a sovereign wealth fund, with over USD 2tn AUM, and a much smaller population.

To compare with the UK is absurd and meaningless, unless you meant to exclude it.

That came from oil, whereas our Govt spunked it all on London and the SE.

Think his strategy was to look as wooden and scared as possible every time he spoke. At least he succeeded there.

King Andy is going to be down with the kids, quick with the one liners and probably feature on a stage at Glastonbury next year giving a sermon to the lefties. Whether that will be sufficient to get them in again time will tell.

You show a lack of understanding about the E&P sector.

It requires significant capex, and Norway has not pursued the green agenda we have in the UK (nor
tax policy).

To compare socialism remains meaningless.

OK, so the bus could have been parked and a reliance on Starmer for two years or bring on fresh legs to move forward. So Labour have gone with the latter but as you allude to - at what cost.

Considering I live in the country that the oil fields are actually in and saw how it was spent, I think my understanding is better then yours.

I won't reply again to someone who thinks I am meaningless.