To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

This is suicidal empathy.

We helped the Ukrainians because they are fellow Europeans who are physically relatively proximate and culturally fairly similar to us. That is our duty and we didn't even take in a huge number compared to more immediate neighbours. It is the duty of Middle Eastern countries to take in Gazans, who are physically proximate and culturally similar to them. There have to be limits to these things. The idea that we can just take in anyone who is suffering anywhere in the world is loony tunes, frankly.

We should absolutely be able to leave the ECHR if it is preventing us from setting our own immigration policy. I would prefer it to be reformed but I also think that may not be possible in any reasonable time frame. Asylum should be for people who are at imminent risk of state persecution (imprisonment, torture or death). If you spread the net any wider the problem becomes much too big to solve by taking in individuals.

Bullshit.

There are over 50,000 male Ukrainian refugees aged 18-64 in the U.K.

Which parts of Ukrainian culture are “compatible” with that of the U.K.? Just say it’s because they are white and be done with it.

People should have the right to want stupid things. It's not democracy otherwise. Democracy is the least-worst system we have and the people saying we should cede our power to the ECHR because we don't deserve to wield it ourselves are people we should be very wary of.

Need to get out of ECHR as it seems to give all humans on earth, equal rights to the taxes and infrastructure of our small island.

*European

How are you defining British people?

The ECHR is pieces of paper with writing and signatures on them.

Pieces of paper aren't animate. They don't speak.

Every aspect of employment rights, family law, human rights, civil rights etc etc in the UK is governed by UK legislation which incorporates the UK's obligations as a signatory of the ECHR. That's the Sovereign Parliament, enacting legislation voted on by UK MPs, who in turn are acting on behalf of voters.

But you go ahead and rant about the European Court if it makes you happy.

It's because they're European. It's not racist to think that Europeans are more similar to us than Gazans. Have you ever been to the middle east? Do you think all cultures are exactly the same?

Yup why the actual fuck are we paying for them?!

Does Reform have a policy re ECHR?

For the sake of 18 people once in a while I don't want to give up my rights and be at the mercy of the British state. Ironically, If we did we might be in a situation ourselves one day where we had to apply for asylum in other countries.

There's a reason why the nearby Arab countries don't take Gazans

You are unreasonable for many reasons. Not least because of your source, the Jewish Chronicle, which has been heavily critiqued for pro Zionist bias. pressgazette.co.uk/news/four-columnists-quit-jewish-chronicle-over-secrecy-standards-and-bias/

People saying "GFA GFA", the top lawyers of the Tory party have ideas. Reform say they will renegotiate. Idk what will happen.

A friend of mine says we can be nominally party to it but pass legislation to ignore the rulings.

Ideally we should never let them determine our immigration law and policy. We should always have the final say.

The only people who have the universal right to enter and live in the UK are UK citizens. Others are subject to our pleasure.

International? What does the E stand for?

Which similar countries?

And of those similar countries, which ones also have an internationally-binding Good Friday Agreement predicated on being a signatory to the ECHR?

50k males yes. But the vast vast majority are women and children.

Britain was one of the original founders of the ECHR, and its conception was/is a reflection of British constitutional values.

Originally the British legal system had huge influence.

No matter what anyone says, if we leave we will not slip into barbarism and we will be able to legislate on human rights as we have done since the time of the Magna Carta and the recognition of British common law.

The debate is not whether Britain can exercise human rights, of course it can, it’s whether the conventions current interpretation reflects its original intentions.

Again we can probably pass legislation just ignoring the ECHR or saying the ECHR is invalid when it contradicts domestic law.

We definitely need full control over our immigration policy. We decide who comes and goes

Seriously?

Egypt has taken about 100000 Gazan refugees.

Honestly I hate being rude but you are such an ignorant moron. Please stop posting nonsense.

Your mate probably says a lot of things. I doubt many of them are true. And on the GFA s/he is most certainly wrong.

Reform also says a lot of things, usually lies. If you believe that the UK can just "renegotiate" the GFA because Reform says so...

Nonsense.

The Good Friday Agreement, GFA, is a peaceful treaty passed by international law that includes British born citizens.

And completely skint.

Well for starters, Ukrainians don't make ghoulish, antisemitic TV programs that indoctrinate their children into thinking that killing Jews and martyrdom is amazing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers

- Jew plotting to replace Al-Aqsa Mosque with False Temple