To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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Of course they can. I don't know why it's presumed we would suddenly be left without any protection.

Or we could be Australia or NZ which are closer in structure and laws anyway.

Yes, there's nothing remotely suspect about "let's do away with all these protections and just replicate them all in UK Law anyway"

I've got a bridge to sell you

Can you clarify what you mean about politicians with a vested interest, please?

Would you have said that about the Kindertransport too ?

Or make it so the echr can't tell us what to do with immigration law and our parliament is sovereign

I've got one to sell you if you think we are afforded more protection its existence. It is hijacked by rapists, for one. Are you happy for them not yo be deported?

It’s totally unfit for purpose and we must withdraw from it

ECHR is horribly out of date with some stuff eg asylum abuse & needs tweaking - every country in Europe agrees. It’s in the works.

Opinions on this thread im guessing may change when youre the ones threatened with torture, inhumane treatment, locked up without the right to fair trial, victims of genocide... you dont get to pick which humans get these very basic rights.

Wow!

I genuinely cannot understand this mentality, they’re fellow human beings, they ARE our responsibility, particularly when we make money selling arms to the countries that bomb them.

Not really. Serious criminals should have their human rights forfeited when they take another person's life. We could ask the same of you if you would still be in favour if one of your family members was a victim.

That was 80 years ago and at a different time. Children from our European neighbours. Things have changed a lot. The migrant crisis hasn't benefited Europe.

Well who is agitating for it?

It's much the same people who agitated for Brexit, the ones with a bent for uber-capitalism, deregulation, and fewer legal rights for the individual.

If you think they have anyone's best interests at heart, and are not just chasing yet more ££££ for themselves, then you aren't really paying attention.

Just ask yourself why anyone would want to remove legal protections, and why they'd do so only to immediately reinstate them via split new legislation. They wouldn't, because they have no intention of doing so no matter what they say. It's yet another pig in a poke being sold to the gullible in precisely the same way Brexit was.

Remember the Tory leavers assuring farmers and fishermen that they had nothing to fear from Brexit because the UK Government would make up the shortfall after EU subsidies were removed? A great many of them went out and voted Leave, and they're still waiting for that money to be made good. It's not nice to stand and say "we told you so", but really, some people deserve absolutely everything coming to them and can't be protected from their own stupidity.

The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.

Asylum is governed by international law. Are you proposing we leave the planet?

But someone has to draft that legislation and what goes in and what may be omitted may be decided by those drafting it. A Govt who is influenced/run by eg Farage/Lowe/Tice type people may not have our best interests at heart. Also that legislation can be changed. It's harder to change it in Europe as it needs consensus

We would not lose these things as we have laws. Your right to life needs a law against killing you - which we have had for quite a long time now. HR is largely nonsense.

To be clear: you are comparing Nazi Germany with 2026 immigration to the UK?

But would we? Especially if Reform are the next government.

. Serious criminals should have their human rights forfeited when they take another person's life

No. Humans don't stop being human just because they've done terrible things.

We could ask the same of you if you would still be in favour if one of your family members was a victim

Absolutely. Humans don't cease being human and having humanity just because something awful happens to them or someone they care about.

But the average person won't understand the international agreements that are based around the ECHR some of which could lead to war. Nevermind the trade agreements we'd potentially stop being eligible for. Most people don't understand what illegal immigration actually is or the legal framework around asylum. They also won't hear about the vast majority of cases that have nothing to do with immigrants. The UK courts cannot instruct parliament whilst our treaties come with consequences that keep our politicians from going too far. What people want isn't always what's actually the best thing. It's why we're supposed to elect clever, decent people to make decisions for us because the average person has no understanding of what they are potentially removing from themselves. No decent politicians should stand on a platform that attempts to damage the wellbeing of the population by stealth. I'd argue it's treasonous to deliberately damage your country for individual fiscal gain. The average person also doesn't understand parliamentary sovereignity, the dualist nature of our country or how our legal system works. No ally will trust a country that rips up it's international treaties because they have been misrepresented to the population. Does the average person even know how many times the UK has been ruled against since 1975?

Or since we helped set it up help change it.

Dear me, what is the point of wanting to leave if all you want to do is replicate the legislation? Ironic emoji.

And what are your expectations to solve the treatment of people in those countries, or should we just have open borders to accommodate the failed countries of the world? Genuine question!

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It's not possible to leave the ECHR without breaking up the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

It would also compromise the Common Travel Agreement that's been in place since the 1920s, over a century of free travel between the Islands of Great Britain and Ireland. The CTA allows also those citizens to work and travel freely.

eta removing the UK from the ECHR would break international law regarding the Good Friday Agreement.