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To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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Sausagenbacon · 16/07/2026 20:05

www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

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StripyHorse · 16/07/2026 22:05

This just about sums it up....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 22:06

SuffolkSun · 16/07/2026 21:51

The ECHR is pieces of paper with writing and signatures on them.

Pieces of paper aren't animate. They don't speak.

Every aspect of employment rights, family law, human rights, civil rights etc etc in the UK is governed by UK legislation which incorporates the UK's obligations as a signatory of the ECHR. That's the Sovereign Parliament, enacting legislation voted on by UK MPs, who in turn are acting on behalf of voters.

But you go ahead and rant about the European Court if it makes you happy.

The echr forced the UK home office to reverse their decision.

EasternStandard · 16/07/2026 22:07

SuffolkSun · 16/07/2026 21:58

Which similar countries?

And of those similar countries, which ones also have an internationally-binding Good Friday Agreement predicated on being a signatory to the ECHR?

Australia and NZ probably others but the culture and laws mirror ours.

If politicians ran on the idea it was vital to subscribe to an external court to maintain rights and citizen happiness they’d not get far.

SuffolkSun · 16/07/2026 22:08

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 22:00

Again we can probably pass legislation just ignoring the ECHR or saying the ECHR is invalid when it contradicts domestic law.

We definitely need full control over our immigration policy. We decide who comes and goes

Are you aiming to make yourself look as ill-informed and lacking in basic knowledge of the subject you're commenting on as possible? Or is it just accidental?

Limecar · 16/07/2026 22:09

The poll is evenly spilt 50 50

Britain is completely screwed isn't? This will never be resolved. It's long term ever escalating conflict ahead.

I've decided to take the path of least resistance and emigrate for a "better life". It seems to be my unassailable right to have another country provide me with that so I'm leaving the gruesome conflict here behind. Thanks for the pension.

Agrumpyknitter · 16/07/2026 22:10

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 20:41

They can be enshrined in domestic legislation.

And we can also deport illegals and control our borders

Are you sure about that? We didn’t have boat and illegal immigrant issue until Farage and Boris persuaded people to vote for Brexit and then the problem exploded. Net immigration has actually fallen under Labour.

Brexit was sold as we can control our borders well look how that’s worked out. We have had more boat crossings and we are much poorer as a result.

pleuo · 16/07/2026 22:11

supercrone · 16/07/2026 21:56

You are unreasonable for many reasons. Not least because of your source, the Jewish Chronicle, which has been heavily critiqued for pro Zionist bias. pressgazette.co.uk/news/four-columnists-quit-jewish-chronicle-over-secrecy-standards-and-bias/

Do you dispute that the story is true? All newspapers obviously have bias. Would you dismiss a story from the Guardian on the basis of its strong anti-Zionist bias?

SuffolkSun · 16/07/2026 22:16

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 21:41

Unimplement it. India have 0 refugee programmes or right to apply for asylum.

If you don't like the way we do things in the UK, sweetie, or the standards we adhere to, you're free to migrate to the land of your forefathers.

suburburban · 16/07/2026 22:16

lazyarse123 · 16/07/2026 21:37

How many Gazans should we take? We have people living on the streets, families in hostels. We cannot afford to take any more people.
Every day in one way or another I get told by tv, newspaper, social media that I don't deserve my pension increase because the country can't afford it, I've contributed for 50 years and I'm no longer willing to pay for people who haven't and will never pay into this country.

Yes I know

hobbledyhoy · 16/07/2026 22:17

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous. You’d be voting to make your and everyone else’s life harder.

If you believe the shite they tell you so that they can line their own pockets through further deregulation you need to stay away from the ballot box, you’re a danger to the rest of us.

AutumnHazel · 16/07/2026 22:18

OverOrUnderprotective · 16/07/2026 21:55

For the sake of 18 people once in a while I don't want to give up my rights and be at the mercy of the British state. Ironically, If we did we might be in a situation ourselves one day where we had to apply for asylum in other countries.

That’s a nonsensical position…. Given we live in a democracy, we are at the mercy of the British State regardless!…. as the British State, via a democratically elected Parliament, can simply remove the UK from the ECHR!

If you really don’t want us to leave the ECHR, then you’re shooting yourself in h both feet by claiming that we cannot trust the British people to democratically elect a Government empowered to run their own affairs.

How do you think that insulting the British electorate in this way is going to work for you at the ballot box? “We think you’re ignorant and stupid, and we don’t trust you to vote responsibly, so vote for us!”

You’re acting like 5th columnists for Reform.

HandPulledNoodles · 16/07/2026 22:19

ForFluentLimeFatball · 16/07/2026 20:49

As we are not in Europe any more, we should be able to do like Australia does and refuse most people. This is a small island that is full up.

We left the EU not Europe you melt.

AllaFieraDellEst · 16/07/2026 22:21

OverOrUnderprotective · 16/07/2026 22:02

Seriously?

Egypt has taken about 100000 Gazan refugees.

Honestly I hate being rude but you are such an ignorant moron. Please stop posting nonsense.

This is actually a bit misleading, because in the legal or policy sense Egypt has generally not granted them formal refugee status or adopted a policy of permanent resettlement.

Egypt has consistently rejected the idea of permanently resettling Gazans in Sinai or granting them refugee status, arguing that mass displacement could become permanent and undermine Palestinian claims to return to Gaza. Many of those who entered Egypt did so as medical evacuees, foreign passport holders, relatives of foreign nationals, or by paying to leave through the Rafah crossing. Many remain in Egypt on temporary or uncertain legal status rather than as recognized refugees.

Also, not being funny but the Egyptian/ Gazan Palestian distinction is sort of nebulous given that many Gazans are fundamentally Egyptian anyway: When the British invaded Egypt in 1882, scores of Egyptians fled to Palestine. A news report from the time stated: “Many of the people come here from Egypt to wait until the danger passes.” But very few actually returned to Egypt. To this day, the third most common Palestinian surname is El Masry, literally translating to “the Egyptian.”

AutumnHazel · 16/07/2026 22:22

Agrumpyknitter · 16/07/2026 22:10

Are you sure about that? We didn’t have boat and illegal immigrant issue until Farage and Boris persuaded people to vote for Brexit and then the problem exploded. Net immigration has actually fallen under Labour.

Brexit was sold as we can control our borders well look how that’s worked out. We have had more boat crossings and we are much poorer as a result.

If you don’t want the likes of Brexit and leaving the EHCR, then do a better job of selling the alternative to the public, rather than berating the “stupid public” for falling for an alternative message you don’t agree with.

Theunamedcat · 16/07/2026 22:22

Either way this situation cannot continue we are being exploited people are being brought in on work visas to work in takeaways utterly ridiculous

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 22:23

I actually think Irish peace is a good thing. But that doesn't mean we should lose control of our borders and immigration policy, especially with it concerts nations that aren't the UK or the Republic of Ireland.

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 22:24

Theunamedcat · 16/07/2026 22:22

Either way this situation cannot continue we are being exploited people are being brought in on work visas to work in takeaways utterly ridiculous

Or be builders

placemats · 16/07/2026 22:24

AutumnHazel · 16/07/2026 22:22

If you don’t want the likes of Brexit and leaving the EHCR, then do a better job of selling the alternative to the public, rather than berating the “stupid public” for falling for an alternative message you don’t agree with.

Vacuous reply. @AutumnHazel

suburburban · 16/07/2026 22:24

MaturingCheeseball · 16/07/2026 21:25

This is getting ridiculous. 18 family members! I saw another judge ruled that in some cultures “family” does not necessarily mean blood relations and can include friends and business associates!

Parliament should be not be able to be superseded by activist judges.

Yes how is that even allowed, it’s GB and it should be interpreted to the family structure here

catspyjamas1 · 16/07/2026 22:26

pleuo · 16/07/2026 22:11

Do you dispute that the story is true? All newspapers obviously have bias. Would you dismiss a story from the Guardian on the basis of its strong anti-Zionist bias?

The Guardian should be dismissed 100% the time. Its no longer a paper of any repute, nor journalistic standards and hasn't been for a very long time.

SuffolkSun · 16/07/2026 22:26

Daafdjdnd · 16/07/2026 22:06

The echr forced the UK home office to reverse their decision.

The. ECHR. Is. A. Convention. Written. On. Paper.

A. UK. Court. Ruling. Overturned. The. Home. Office. Initial. Decision.

Without drawing pictures, it's notvpossible to make it any simpler.

Limecar · 16/07/2026 22:26

Line your pockets!

Will people ever update their ancient cliches? That was one of Starmer's bizarre out of touch phrases, "more money in your pocket" "the pound in your pocket ". Britain lives in the past. It's a broke and broken down place now, with millions of new poor people than it can't sustain and a failed PM whose vision was about what's about "in your pocket". A random bloke from Manchester has decided he's the next to be in charge of the pockets.

placemats · 16/07/2026 22:27

suburburban · 16/07/2026 22:24

Yes how is that even allowed, it’s GB and it should be interpreted to the family structure here

Family as in George Cotrell calling Nigel Farage 'Daddy'?

mumumental · 16/07/2026 22:28

Whatdidyoujustcallme · 16/07/2026 20:22

Yes. Let’s lose all equality, employment and right to a fair trial stuff! Who needs it - employers can hire and fire at will, you can fuck off with your maternity pay, in fact, forget your job, I don’t need a moody mummy asking for flexible working, or days off to look after her brats. Get rid of that silly PACE stuff, just lock em all up. If they say it wasn’t them, persuade a confession. No need for redundancy pay, or sick pay, or a minimum wage, or reasonable hours. No need for rights to a private life, who needs that?

You know when lots of silly people voted to leave the EU? And the same silly people are only just realising that they can no longer move their family to Benidorm and get a job and live there, or retire there because their income isn’t high enough?

That. You cannot cherry pick which bits of civilisation you like and ditch the bits you don’t. ECHR is international law, not just the EU you silly billy.

Well said. Although the EU isn’t international, it’s definitely the case that all of the workforce would regret us leaving.

OverOrUnderprotective · 16/07/2026 22:28

AutumnHazel · 16/07/2026 22:18

That’s a nonsensical position…. Given we live in a democracy, we are at the mercy of the British State regardless!…. as the British State, via a democratically elected Parliament, can simply remove the UK from the ECHR!

If you really don’t want us to leave the ECHR, then you’re shooting yourself in h both feet by claiming that we cannot trust the British people to democratically elect a Government empowered to run their own affairs.

How do you think that insulting the British electorate in this way is going to work for you at the ballot box? “We think you’re ignorant and stupid, and we don’t trust you to vote responsibly, so vote for us!”

You’re acting like 5th columnists for Reform.

Since Brexit I don't trust the British electorate to make decisions that are in the best interest of the majority of people. At the moment we have recourse to the echr. Yes, I might not always agree with their judgements but I'm glad that if I need it it is there and in most cases I think it seems to err on the side of humanity and compassion.

And if course theoretically any government could vote to leave the echr. Isn't that what we are debating right now on this thread?