To think it's time to leave the ECHR?

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www.thejc.com/news/uk/gazan-family-refugee-status-asylum-rejection-gwsq2c8b

This is it, in a nutshell.

No Arab nation wants the Gazans because they are a destabilising population and they see them as a serious risk. And, not to be mean, the Gazans have done themselves no favours with that.

They aren't going to pose the same kind of risk in a country like the UK, that being said, I can see why any nation state would want to avoid acquiring a significant Palestinian population.

Is that the case? I looked it up and this came up. 16th July is very recent.

Yes, an extended family of 18 from Gaza won the legal right to come to and stay in the UK following a senior immigration tribunal decision issued on 16 July 2026

Exactly.
In 1951 Jordan's King Abdullah was assassinated by a Palestinian gunman on Temple Mount. He was killed while exiting al-Aqsa Mosque with his grandson .

This event led to the Black September massacre of Palestinians.

The reality of current day Britain is that far from creating a multi cultural nirvana, the enormous influx of the world's "better lifers" for whatever reason, is creating an opposing force amongst the population. This trajectory is not positive in any way.

The general tone of justification is that it's punishment for history. The fragmentation of Britain into a global grievance culture is the outcome we are experiencing. Human Rights as a tool of legal force ignores human behaviour.

I can’t see how people could know who supports Hamas and who does not. Do those who would like to invite Gazans have an idea on that?

Interviewing people about taking in a refugee -

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YYn8QX4LAeo

Indoctrination into Hamas’ ideaology begins at a young age, kids songs popularise martyrdom, textbooks in schools, summer camps all reinforce the idea that violence will equals liberation and that to die for the cause is the highest honour.

I don’t know how you’d even begin to decide who could overcome a belief system which has been deeply engrained over generations.

Not even funny 😭 The idiocy of those people. Like the “Refugees Welcome” protestors protesting about having a migrant camp where they live in Bicester!

Didn't Denmark do a longitudinal study looking at gazian immigrants over time? Look at the results

In Tower Hamlets, I have once seen twins, not older than 4 or 5, both wearing custom made T-shirts where they had put their hand covered in red paint to make a print on the front of the T-shirt to make it look like blood, and someone had written under it « Palestine Martyrs » or sth to that effect.

I suppose it was the result of some « educational » workshop where they were indoctrinated with a touch of crafting. At not even 5y old. In London.

indoctrination eh? Disgraceful what these foreigners do.

If you think that's quality analysis god help us. I didn't even bother responding to it because it's so inaccurate. Please read a history book and genuinely educate yourself.

Of course @Firetreev

As for the picture from the KKK in the US I suppose from almost a century ago, i totally agree these foreigners were equally repugnant to use children, so we re all in agreement children shouldn’t be submitted to brainwashing, neither last century nor today, and that we shouldn’t accept it, for any child, at any time, and in any circumstances, no exception, glad to see such a strong consensus @CovenOfCheeses

It's 💯 If you didn't bother responding to it that's probably because the truth is Uncomfortable.

Er no. I didn't bother responding because it's so misleading and I have better things to do with my time. The entire world has been in conflict for thousands of years - again read a book. The Middle East is not an outlier, and the particular conflict in Palestine and Israel was started by Britain giving Palestinian land to create the state of Israel. Imagine if something like that was done today. Anyway, have you actually studied the topic properly using academic sources. For some reason, based on all your previous posts, I don't think you have.

Also your reasoning is hilarious. If x poster doesn't like a post or doesn't waste their breath on it, then it must be true. If that's your bar for factual accuracy, I think you genuinely need to spend sometime having a long hard think about where you get your facts from. The opinions of posters on forums like Mumsnet is not how you should be informing and educating yourself.

@Firetreev and the particular conflict in Palestine and Israel was started by Britain giving Palestinian land to create the state of Israel.

This is factually incorrect ^

The demise of the Ottoman Empire (who picked the "wrong" side in World War I and was dissolved by post-war treaties) created a power vacuum in the Middle East, leading to increased foreign intervention and the eventual establishment of the British Mandate for Palestine in 1920. Under British administration, conflicting promises were made to both Jews and Arabs, most notably through the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which expressed British support for the creation of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine. This declaration, while intended to garner Jewish support for the British war effort, also ignited concerns among the Arab population, who feared displacement and loss of their own national aspirations.

In the aftermath of World War II, the British, fed up with the conflict and unable to reconcile the competing nationalist demands, referred the issue of Palestine to the newly formed United Nations. The UN proposed a partition plan in 1947, which recommended the division of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem designated as an international city. While the Jewish leadership accepted the plan, Arab leaders and surrounding Arab nations rejected it, arguing that it was unjust and violated the rights of the majority Arab population.
This was the first of the 6 times that a two-state solution has been rejected by the Arabs..

The announcement of the UN partition plan set off a series of events that led to the declaration of the State of Israel on May 14, 1948. This declaration was immediately followed by the outbreak of the Arab-Israeli War, as neighboring Arab states invaded the new state in support of the Palestinian Arabs. The aggressors were Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, & Lebanon.

In summary, the creation of Israel was not an isolated nationalistic endeavour but the result of overlapping historical forces, international diplomacy, and the interplay of competing nationalisms.

@AutumnHazel Oh goodness, don't start this "if you don't like democracy" nonsense again. Look where it got us last time.

I don't want our future to be determined by ill informed, gullible fools that believe so called leaders of parties set up for personal financial gain, compromised by bribery. It's really that simple.

We should leave the ECHR an adopt a UK Citizens Charter, giving similar rights to UK citizens.

How would that align with the GFA?

I don't think I will be paying much notice to somebody who thinks the conflict started after the Balfour agreement. It goes way back before that. You should know that though as you are keen to tell me to educate myself. I was agreeing with the poster because, once again, she was spot on. She wasn't telling me something I didn't know already, hence my response to her. Of course if you disagree with her post, you could break it down and respond to it, instead of bizarrely being more concentrated on my reaction.

Trust me I am well aware of this - I'm not interested in typing up war and peace for Mumsnet or using AI to do it for me! But the reality is, it wasn't up to Britain to pass over the decision to the United Nations. People ignore how wrong this was. Most of the Jewish Israeli population emigrated there from Europe and North Africa after the creation of the state of Israel. People seem to ignore the absolute injustice of the colonial decision makers, who spared no thought for the rights of the Palestinian people to self determination. In reality their rights to self determination were sacrificed to pay for the atrocities committed by the Germans and to salve the guilt of other nations who did nothing on a meaningful scale to help Eurooean Jews escape the persecution of the Nazis.

Again as I said to the poster above, I'm not typing up the history of colonialism in the Middle East nor the history of Zionism going back to the 19th century for Mumsnet. My point stands that it was never for Britain to hand over and allow the UN to carve up. If you think it was right and defensible to do so, then you clearly take no issue with colonialism. My point was that many of the issues we see today stem from the creation of Israel and the carving up of states under Sykes Picot. This doesn't mean that there weren't earlier conflicts, as there have been in every corner of the globe since time in millenia for a variety of reasons. If you can't see how Britain historically and today has a hand in the conflict there, you're being willfully ignorant.

You need to be very careful what you are insinuating there about the aftermath of the holocaust. Not only that, that genocide was not the first persecution Jews had faced. Again, your ignorance of the history is showing.