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Aibu thinking Scots shouldn't be wanting Argentina to win against England?

722 replies

Engerlund · 13/07/2026 18:49

It's getting beyond banter now imo.

I know plenty of Scots agree with me.

I'm half Scottish (dad) so always support both. In the past I'd probably want Scotland to win if it was them against England to be honest. Although now because of the Argentina support I'm going off supporting Scotland.

I desperately want England to win this one more than against any other team.

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XDownwiththissortofthingX · Yesterday 18:24

This thread is hilarious

People losing their heads left and right, ranting about wars, conflicts thousands of miles away, Scottish politics, even the highland fucking clearances, all because some Scottish people won't cheer for England in a football match 😂

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:24

SeaGlassDreamer · Yesterday 18:19

I’m 1/2 English 1/2 Irish but born and bred in England so the English side of me wins when it comes to football. After England I’m an Ireland fan, just a shame we don’t get to see them as much on the world stage these days. After England/Ireland I’m equally supportive of Wales/Scotland and when I watch them I really really want them to win. I lose my voice cheering for them - it’s quite funny that I’m almost as excited as a Scottish/Welsh person when I watch them, I get nervous I’m literally kicking the imaginary ball into the net for them yet Scottish/Welsh fans are cheering Argentina 😂

Well let’s be honest, if they only cheered for Scotland, there wouldn’t be much to cheer about.

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:27

Boomer55 · Yesterday 18:23

Oh I remember some of them wearing German strips when we were playing them.

We just laugh - we will win or lose, despite what some Scots are doing. 🙄

The Scottish anti English brigade are completely irrelevant to anyone in England. It must hurt that we really don’t care. Which is exactly what Billy Connolly said ‘ there is no point hating the English because they don’t care.’

JHound · Yesterday 18:27

Inverness1900 · Yesterday 18:05

"So you don't agree with self-determination?"
I'm not sure how you took that away, my position is the definition of self-determination. Though don't confuse that with not having to fight for, and defend that right. You have the right to be in control of yourself. However, you do NOT have the right to force me to be responsible for you. And nor should I be.

See the difference?

"you think the situation with the Falklands is similar to Russia / Ukraine which shows wild ignorance of history (Russian invaded a nation to exert its will over its people. That is not the history the Falklands.)"

No, that's your interpretation of my words. I used that as an example, I explained, though clearly you chose to avoid / ignore, that nations use that same excuse you used, to defend their own claims on territory. I never compared the backgrounds are being similar. They're clearly not. But I suppose misinterpretation is necessary, when you have no other recourse.

And again, this is a huge distraction from the main point. This isn't a debate about the Falklands. It's about Scots not giving particular arrogant England fans the support they crave from us, for some reason. They have brought up the Falklands, because there was a past dispute / war, they think this should matter.

But the wars between Scotland and England have been far more serious, and deadly. If wars are to matter at all, then I care more about that than the Falkland wars in the 80s. But neither are a factor in who I support, despite England fans best attempt to make it one.

And again, this is a huge distraction from the main point. This isn't a debate about the Falklands. It's about Scots not giving particular arrogant England fans the support they crave from us, for some reason. They have brought up the Falklands, because there was a past dispute / war, they think this should

I agree that the Falklands War is not a reason to support Argentina. Imo. I will never support Argentina and the Falklands war has nothing to do with it.

I’ll happily back France and Germany.

LizzieW1969 · Yesterday 18:29

XDownwiththissortofthingX · Yesterday 18:24

This thread is hilarious

People losing their heads left and right, ranting about wars, conflicts thousands of miles away, Scottish politics, even the highland fucking clearances, all because some Scottish people won't cheer for England in a football match 😂

Point taken, though I only waded in to correct errors about the Falkland Islands and it's inhabitants.

I actually couldn't care less who Scottish people choose to support or not. I'm not even a passionate supporter of England, as I'm not a football fan. (Though as my DH is following the team I do get into it a little bit! 🤣)

XDownwiththissortofthingX · Yesterday 18:30

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:27

The Scottish anti English brigade are completely irrelevant to anyone in England. It must hurt that we really don’t care. Which is exactly what Billy Connolly said ‘ there is no point hating the English because they don’t care.’

Yes, "completely irrelevant", that's why there are no fewer than 4 or 5 concurrent threads on here, all full of English people losing their shit repeatedly, desperately proclaiming how much they don't care.

Keep it coming, best laugh in years.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:30

Goldenbear · Yesterday 18:23

They are setting fire to the Union flag not the England flag. Wasn't it you that remarked on the rest of the world absolutely knowing and caring about the difference?

So do English fans fly the union flag?

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:31

Idontcareboutthestateofmyhair · Yesterday 18:11

Wow! Always one 🤣 great belief in England keeping us! We all pay into the tax system. So maybe considering you have about five times the population we do we should pay less tax so we dont have the burden of keeping you when we pay more tax 42% instead of 40%. On my husbands salary that's 3k a year, a year! Nothing dour about us and we train the midges to bite the English! I'm kidding of course and for what its worth I'll be cheering England on tonight with my family. Just as well ive met so many English people in my life that were absolutely lovely not a sour puss like you. Get your facts right darling.

The extra tax you pay goes directly to the Scottish Parliament to be spent in Scotland.
Mind you I think Sturgeons husband spent most of that extra tax.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:32

Goldenbear · Yesterday 18:23

They are setting fire to the Union flag not the England flag. Wasn't it you that remarked on the rest of the world absolutely knowing and caring about the difference?

And no, it wasn’t me.

Inverness1900 · Yesterday 18:32

JHound · Yesterday 18:22

So I support your self-determination, right? Does this mean I have to let you live in my house?

If I own my house and somebody wants to live with me and I am fine with them living with me that’s fine.

You’re saying it’s not. That’s batshit.

No, you're putting your words in my mouth again. And like I said, I couldn't give a crap about the Falklands dispute.

Lucyccfc68 · Yesterday 18:33

Seriously, who cares if Scotland fans want or don’t want England to win.

The Scots (and Welsh) are completely obsessed with England and our football team. The press are obsessed with their fans. They only have to smile and it makes the front pages. Pissed up Scotland fans falling asleep in some poor Yanks garden - the press celebrate it like it’s something really cute. If they raised a bit of money for a charity, you’d think they had cured cancer (btw England do this at every tournament and some qualifiers - but the press rarely say anything - except for Portugal in 2004)

I was delighted when Scotland lost and got sent home, was sick of hearing about them.

Now it’s Englands turn and if the Scots don’t like it, they can shove their haggis up their bloody kilt 😂😂😂

I have Scottish family and friends and we wind each other up all the time about the above.

Inverness1900 · Yesterday 18:34

JHound · Yesterday 18:27

And again, this is a huge distraction from the main point. This isn't a debate about the Falklands. It's about Scots not giving particular arrogant England fans the support they crave from us, for some reason. They have brought up the Falklands, because there was a past dispute / war, they think this should

I agree that the Falklands War is not a reason to support Argentina. Imo. I will never support Argentina and the Falklands war has nothing to do with it.

I’ll happily back France and Germany.

Edited

We have some common ground then, cool.

I'll support ABE though. Even if it's a country I don't particularly like.

A US vs England match would have been much harder for me. Especially after Trump had the red card suspended. Very poor sportsmanship.

JHound · Yesterday 18:34

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:30

So do English fans fly the union flag?

You asked whether they were burning the English flag or British. I posted a link to them burning the British flag. I have not seen any images of them burning the flag of St George yet (which England supporters overwhelmingly fly.)

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:36

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:27

The Scottish anti English brigade are completely irrelevant to anyone in England. It must hurt that we really don’t care. Which is exactly what Billy Connolly said ‘ there is no point hating the English because they don’t care.’

Considering the sheer amount of anti Scottish posts from you, you’re not doing a great job showing how much you don’t care. 🤣

JHound · Yesterday 18:36

Inverness1900 · Yesterday 18:32

No, you're putting your words in my mouth again. And like I said, I couldn't give a crap about the Falklands dispute.

I’m not putting words in your mouth. That’s your argument. You have taken issue with the current situation with the Falkland Islands which is, to use your analogy, two people mutually agreeing to live with each other.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:37

JHound · Yesterday 18:34

You asked whether they were burning the English flag or British. I posted a link to them burning the British flag. I have not seen any images of them burning the flag of St George yet (which England supporters overwhelmingly fly.)

So you answered eventually in your last sentence. They don’t fly the union flag. What national anthem do they sing?

Pepperlee · Yesterday 18:38

luckylavender · 13/07/2026 19:22

I expect Wales will support Argentina. Deep roots.

Simon Weston won't be supporting Argentina. Google his thoughts on the match.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:38

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:31

The extra tax you pay goes directly to the Scottish Parliament to be spent in Scotland.
Mind you I think Sturgeons husband spent most of that extra tax.

Did he? So it went into the SNP bank account rather than the Govt one? Huge, if true.

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:38

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:30

So do English fans fly the union flag?

Don’t be so ridiculous. It’s not a GB it’s England.
we fly the Union flag in the Olympics.

Inverness1900 · Yesterday 18:39

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:27

The Scottish anti English brigade are completely irrelevant to anyone in England. It must hurt that we really don’t care. Which is exactly what Billy Connolly said ‘ there is no point hating the English because they don’t care.’

You know, if that was really the case, none of this would be as intense. It's really just an escalation of an heated exchange. Most Scots don't support the England team (why should we?) which triggers many entitled fans in England, who believe we should, for some reason. And they say as much, which pisses off us Scots, who are they to lecture us? It's not our team. So we give it back, and then it escalates into calling Scots "bitter" and "Jealous" and Scots calling England fans "arrogant" and "entitled"

You would never see this if a lot of French people, or Polish people were ABE. People in England would shrug, "it's another country, who cares?" And yet, Scotland and Wales are also different countries, but that doesn't seem to count.

Goldenbear · Yesterday 18:39

XDownwiththissortofthingX · Yesterday 18:24

This thread is hilarious

People losing their heads left and right, ranting about wars, conflicts thousands of miles away, Scottish politics, even the highland fucking clearances, all because some Scottish people won't cheer for England in a football match 😂

It's quite remarkable that many on this thread don't understand that the 'English' and the England that many of us identify with is one of diversity, something that is reflected in the team in contrast to the Scottish team. The narrative about 'the English' is evidently coming from living in monoethnic regions that believe the average English person lives in the same context but we don't so these ideas are alien to us!

Engerlund · Yesterday 18:40

Pepperlee · Yesterday 18:38

Simon Weston won't be supporting Argentina. Google his thoughts on the match.

I saw a Scottish fan saying they hoped England would be Westoned. Nice.

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Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:42

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 18:38

Don’t be so ridiculous. It’s not a GB it’s England.
we fly the Union flag in the Olympics.

What’s your national anthem?

dannyufcfan · Yesterday 18:43

Throughahedgebackwards · 13/07/2026 19:09

I'm English and I wanted Argentina to win. The sooner it's all over the better. Didn't watch the game, so wasn't cheering anyone on, but would have been very happy for England to crash out.

Hasn't happened, yet!

A big part of football, cub or international is local rivals. It's perfectly normal for you neighbour to want you to lose. Or be upset if you win. It's that simple.

Goldenbear · Yesterday 18:44

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 18:32

And no, it wasn’t me.

It was but on another thread. It is the Union flag with the Saltire being set on fire, sill as long as England don't win who cares eh??

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