Aibu thinking Scots shouldn't be wanting Argentina to win against England?

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It's getting beyond banter now imo.

I know plenty of Scots agree with me.

I'm half Scottish (dad) so always support both. In the past I'd probably want Scotland to win if it was them against England to be honest. Although now because of the Argentina support I'm going off supporting Scotland.

I desperately want England to win this one more than against any other team.

"So you don't agree with self-determination?"
I'm not sure how you took that away, my position is the definition of self-determination. Though don't confuse that with not having to fight for, and defend that right. You have the right to be in control of yourself. However, you do NOT have the right to force me to be responsible for you. And nor should I be.

See the difference?

"you think the situation with the Falklands is similar to Russia / Ukraine which shows wild ignorance of history (Russian invaded a nation to exert its will over its people. That is not the history the Falklands.)"

No, that's your interpretation of my words. I used that as an example, I explained, though clearly you chose to avoid / ignore, that nations use that same excuse you used, to defend their own claims on territory. I never compared the backgrounds are being similar. They're clearly not. But I suppose misinterpretation is necessary, when you have no other recourse.

And again, this is a huge distraction from the main point. This isn't a debate about the Falklands. It's about Scots not giving particular arrogant England fans the support they crave from us, for some reason. They have brought up the Falklands, because there was a past dispute / war, they think this should matter.

But the wars between Scotland and England have been far more serious, and deadly. If wars are to matter at all, then I care more about that than the Falkland wars in the 80s. But neither are a factor in who I support, despite England fans best attempt to make it one.

Yes. Not English. They're very inclusive.

Sorry for my ignorance, but which flag do England fans use?

Really because I dislike our colonial history. But we weren’t exactly the only ones doing it. The very fact that Latin America is Spanish/Portuguese speaking is down to colonialism.

We can’t turn back the clock.

They are a British protectorate. Alleging this is wrong due to distance is entirely arbitrary.

Same as claiming Guadeloupans or Martiniquans aren’t French just because of….distance.

Do English fans fly the English flag?

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I can agree with that. Though I would argue England's one of the more unpopular sporting nations. They generally, they have more ABE than, say, Belgium have ABB or Poland have ABP, etc.

Wow! Always one 🤣 great belief in England keeping us! We all pay into the tax system. So maybe considering you have about five times the population we do we should pay less tax so we dont have the burden of keeping you when we pay more tax 42% instead of 40%. On my husbands salary that's 3k a year, a year! Nothing dour about us and we train the midges to bite the English! I'm kidding of course and for what its worth I'll be cheering England on tonight with my family. Just as well ive met so many English people in my life that were absolutely lovely not a sour puss like you. Get your facts right darling.

I'm not claiming the cases are similar, I'm claiming the OP's excuses were identical "they (the natives) want to be under our control. It doesn't matter how true it is, it matters that it's ever acceptable as an excuse to rule over another nation/land, because it's open to manipulation, propaganda, etc.

Same. I am a child of empire so I understand colonial history well. But at least unlike other places (such as Argentina) there was no massacre of the natives with the Falkland Islands. And in this instance the current inhabitants have made their position and desires clear. So I believe those should be respected.

Where is the similarity? Ukraine is fighting a war against Russian invasian. The Falklands are not fighting a war and have asserted their desire for the current model.

Do you know anything about the Falklands?

"Self-determination means respecting those expressed wishes"

I want to know which version of the dictionary you pulled that from?
I support your right to leave your parents home and create your own family. So I support your self-determination, right? Does this mean I have to let you live in my house? That I have to take care of you? This sounds like a dependency to me. The opposite of self-determination.

Bottom line, and I'm not going to reply to anything else RE The Falklands because I couldn't care any less about them. The people who live there should manage and govern themselves. Not the UK, not the Argentinians. But in either case, I really don't care about it. It's like arguing which dynasty should be running China. It doesn't affect my life, and I wouldn't fight a war to have a say in it.

I’m 1/2 English 1/2 Irish but born and bred in England so the English side of me wins when it comes to football. After England I’m an Ireland fan, just a shame we don’t get to see them as much on the world stage these days. After England/Ireland I’m equally supportive of Wales/Scotland and when I watch them I really really want them to win. I lose my voice cheering for them - it’s quite funny that I’m almost as excited as a Scottish/Welsh person when I watch them, I get nervous I’m literally kicking the imaginary ball into the net for them yet Scottish/Welsh fans are cheering Argentina 😂

I don't think there were any natives there (hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong). The residents are simply descendants of British people who originally settled there. Hence why they want to be British.

You mean the Argentinian team also has racist fans?
So then racism shouldn't be a factor in it, should it?
if I was picking teams based on who was the most racist, it might matter. But just like the Falklands, it doesn't. Find me a team without racists and hooligans?

I’m Scottish and supporting England.

But probably in the minority.

I think you will find the Welsh are the same.

So I support your self-determination, right? Does this mean I have to let you live in my house?

If I own my house and somebody wants to live with me and I am fine with them living with me that’s fine.

You’re saying it’s not. That’s batshit.

I think you will find a lot of Scottish people fought and died for the Falklands
i can see why the Scot’s bond with Argentina, lots of corruption in Politics. Then escaping to another country…..

I am not talking about the fans.

"instead of our brothers in arms England."
I mean, that's your perspective. I just see England as another country. Same as France, or Poland.

I also don’t get the whole England are insufferable when they win. We haven’t won since 1966 which is before most of us were born so how would anyone know. I don’t think we are arrogant when it comes to sport because whilst we so desperately want to win we don’t ever actually believe we will. It’s like buying a lottery ticket. We can but dream..

They are setting fire to the Union flag not the England flag. Wasn't it you that remarked on the rest of the world absolutely knowing and caring about the difference?

Interesting….

neither of us have mentioned which tennis match we were watching in which case either it had been mentioned more than once or it was indeed a joke. (Funnily enough I bet it’s the former and not the latter!)

Oh I remember some of them wearing German strips when we were playing them.

We just laugh - we will win or lose, despite what some Scots are doing. 🙄