AIBU to conclude women pretty much always outshine men overall?

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Or is it just me? I find that men, as nice as they can be, are just a little bit shit.

And even if they’re not shit, they’re just not as good as the woman they’re with or a woman of similar age and circumstance.

I see it everywhere. My parents. Friends’ relationships. Colleagues. The sense of entitlement, putting themselves first, not being as organised, not thinking ahead in the same way, letting their mood affect everyone around them…. I am not saying women are not like this, of course they can be. But it’s rare it’s to the extent of men.

Maybe it is just me. I’m old and cynical these days.

Well, ridiculous threads like the OP are going to bring out equally ridiculous responses. The OP was like an MRA only the rabid feminist variety.

Women, Know your place. #BeKind about men, or be silent.

Lol, the drama.

Re natural roles, I didnt mean individual women think that, but rather feminism (certain strains of it, anyway) seem to suggest that motherhood is basic / unfulfilling and its a shame to be "just" a mother.

None of that is true, there is no more important role of any kind in society than that of mother.

Men are often considered to have lots of opportunity and freedom, but what could possibly be of more importance, or be a higher privilege, than to be the central figure in shaping the attitudes and values of next generation?

I - of course - think women should have whatever choices they each desire. I also think it should be left to them to ponder and decide, rather than them being bombarded by social engineering efforts constantly.

At the same time I recognise that society has a need for a solid birth rate to thrive (3 kids per couple). Its difficult to find the right words to frame this, but I wish people (and especially women, given the burden falls on them to carry a child) felt more a sense of social duty in that regard, balancing it with their other desires / ambitions.

I agree there certainly have been changes / advances for women - but at the same time, I wonder - were these what women really desired and has their social status, quality of life and personal satisfaction actually increased as a result?

And is the case for women across the board, or only certain groups of women?

When we used a private nursery, I used to watch as professional, degree educated mothers would park up in their big 4x4s / SUVs, dropping their kids off to be looked after by young girls on minimum wage - mainly school leavers - before driving off to their part time, well renumerated job in finance / teaching / local authority.

Certainly some women seem to be doing well out of modern society, but is that at the cost of them directly exploiting other, less privileged women who have less options?

What are the goals of feminism today?

Your first line is wrong for a start - via abortion, women end far more lives than men could ever hope to.

Abortion is the leading cause of death in the world.

It was on the radio the other day that 1/3 of UK pregnancies now end in abortion.

All good points - though note the birth control one is a myth.

Women have always been able to control their fertility naturally, with the same effectiveness as artificial contraception.

While the pill may be more convenient that actively having to track your fertility, the favoured narrative of the pill being a major revolution in the sense of fertility is not true and is promoted to obscure the fact that what really happen in that generation was a loss of traditional morality, as opposed to any expansion of freedoms or choices.

I also agree that its good that women have options, choices and roles beyond motherhood. But at the same time the role of motherhood is a fundamental and crucial one and only women can do it, so it can be dismissed or minimised.

Women have always been able to control their fertility naturally, with the same effectiveness as artificial contraception.

No they haven't. What a ridiculous thing to say!🙈 Even with 21st century science tracking ovulation, natural birth control is less effective at preventing pregnancy than condoms, the pill etc.

Pregnancy and motherhood increases womens risk of male violence. Women's morality is not the issue. Men's violence towards the women and children they claim to love, is.

If men believed motherhood is a fundamental and crucial role,, we would not see an increase of male violence against women when they are pregnant and post partum.

Women have always been able to control their fertility naturally, with the same effectiveness as artificial contraception.

Oops, just realised my mistake here, are you talking about Total Abstinence @BlueSherbet?

You are misinformed.

The Billings Ovulation Method is the most studied form of regulating / tracking fertility. It has been independently trialled by the WHO and other bodies and found to be as effective at avoiding pregnancy as any other method.

China uses the Billings method to regulate their birth rate. Previously they had a strict / odd "one child" policy.

They introduced it >30 years ago and it has been widely accepted by Chinese women across the whole country. Unlike artificial contraception, it is free, non invasive and has no side effects.

China has found a 99% success rate in avoiding unwanted pregnancy, as well as ~1/3 couples struggling with fertility being able to conceive.

China successfully launching Billings Ovulation Method

When I got married (2012) even the NHS used to (grudgingly) openly admit that it was just as good (or better) than condoms etc. Now though, as its ever more political, it goes to great lengths to obscure or play down that information.

And as regard motherhood being a fundamental and crucial role:

I referred to it as such as it is an objective fact that it is a fundamental and crucial role,

Whether men or anyone else believes this or not is neither here nor there, its objectively true regardless of what people think.

No I was referring to the Billings method.

But you raise a good point here - we dont need to have sex, of course.

Given the natural consequences of sex, If we were being responsible, we would not have sex unless we were at least open to these natural consequences or willing to accept the consequences of our actions.

The Billings Method?
Seriously, the Billings method?🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Not calling you stupid or anything, but the Billings Method was promoted in my convent school for girls in the 1980s as the Catholic wife way of doing things. Not an effective way.🤯

It's not an effective birth control method compared to other, proper, birth control. FFS even Sr. Sheila taught us that in 4th year biology.🙈

Her class joke was : What do you call people who use natural contraceptives?
Mummy and Daddy.🤣🤣🤣

I see you're avoiding the fact that pregnant and post partum women are more likely to experience male violence.

Why is that @BlueSherbet?🤔

This is a really weak response.

I gave you the referenced stats for usage in China (a huge sample of users) showing it to be as effective as artificial contraception.

Of course, no form of birth control is fully effective.

With 1/3 of UK pregnancies now ending in abortion - clearly condoms and the poll are not doing a great job - I think our society deludes itself on these matters.

The number of unplanned pregnancies is directly proportional to the number of instances of sexual intercourse using artificial contraception.

I actually did address that part of your post, it was just that you didn't understand what was said.

Of course, Im not calling you stupid or anything.

I must have missed that, what was your point wrt male violence to pregnant and post partum women? Of course I'm not saying you're waffling and talking shite or anything.🙂

Oh, except about the Billings Method.🙄 That is shite. That's why women with access to medical and barrier methods of contraception use those rather than Billings, which, even when religiously adhered to, relies on men respecting women's right to say "No".

No, I just have husband, father, sons, brothers and uncles who do more in a day to keep the world turning than the women in the family might do in a decade

Like my sister can't even change the tire on her car

But it's not 150 yeara ago is it

I work on an oil rig and yes outshine the men.
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Hahahaha! Hahahahaha!

Today's younger women are single through choice. As a happily married woman (who chose far better the second time around thanks to being older and wiser) I can say your nutty comment really made me laugh out loud.

The internet abounds with men shrieking and wailing that women are choosing not to get married, not to have kids, not to want men - and full of men screaming abuse at women solely for remaining single and childless.

For the first time in Western history women can leave men and not starve and have at least a little bit of legal protection when they do so and they are walking away from men in droves. I don't blame them.

On a personal level women are certainly far better behaved, regulated, safer and yes they do outshine men - so far as relationships, valuing others as human beings and etc are concerned.

Men are much more driven and far, far stronger physically and that includes stamina - so they outshine women in some areas. Both sexes have their pluses and minuses.

But since women are the ones choosing to remain single your hilarious post is, I'm afraid, a simple nonsense.

Self praise is no praise.

Actually rape only became illegal in marriage a few decades ago in the UK, 1991, and women only won the vote just over a hundred years ago, and were only allowed to get a loan without a man in 1975.

So, as you know, many basic human rights were denied women until very very recently indeed.

got to back yourself when surrounded by so much judgment

Oh FFS - dont be so stupid OP. What is it with all the men bashing threads on here recently?!

The post I was answering said that men were responsible for creating our society as an indication of their historic worth. My response was that women were largely prevented (by men) from contributing to society, so the argument fails.

Women aren't choosing to remain single almost all the tik tok algorithm I ever see is about other women who can't find a man, newspaper articles complaining about same, there was even someone from Mumsnet on bbc radio's women's hour complaining about men rejecting single parents as damaged goods

There's record numbers of women on anti depressants, going to therapists and these are in direct correlation to the numbers of single, childless, relationshipless women