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AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

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Northermcharn · 09/06/2026 19:11

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

The exterior entrance of Bristol Crown Court. It is a large sand coloured building with white columns outside the front, and large arched wooden double doors on the left.

Afghan men accused of fleeing UK after raping girl in Bristol

A jury is told three defendants left the country in a "deeply unusual" way after the alleged rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

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basoon · 12/06/2026 11:13

Dnfs · 09/06/2026 19:28

You'll get the "white men are bad" brigade as well. They ignore per capita though.

Actually the evidence shows that once you control for age and socio economic background, then yes white men are exactly as bad. But don't let facts get in the way of a good prejudice

basoon · 12/06/2026 11:21

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:01

And why do you think these groups were already plotting to hit certain targets before the latest atrocity happened?

Because they are racist cunts?

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:28

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:07

I don’t think we can turn it off. Central African Republic, Chad, Somalia, Niger and the Democratic Republic of the Congo have the highest birth rates in the world. Those people will be on the move for both economic and climate reasons.

Australia doesn’t have the same issue. But they voted for different policies and won’t change them no matter who is in power.

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 11:30

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:07

I don’t think we can turn it off. Central African Republic, Chad, Somalia, Niger and the Democratic Republic of the Congo have the highest birth rates in the world. Those people will be on the move for both economic and climate reasons.

Indeed

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:32

basoon · 12/06/2026 11:21

Because they are racist cunts?

Because there were already simmering tensions and community cohesion was breaking down. You’ve tried to simplify it by screaming racism - because that word has power alongside Nazi, but as with any subject there are historical nuance and complexities within any country/population.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:34

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:28

Australia doesn’t have the same issue. But they voted for different policies and won’t change them no matter who is in power.

That may or may not be true. Australia has a different history to the UK but what’s their line on women’s single sex spaces? I’ve noticed that seems to be the litmus test for what is coming down the pipe.

basoon · 12/06/2026 11:36

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:32

Because there were already simmering tensions and community cohesion was breaking down. You’ve tried to simplify it by screaming racism - because that word has power alongside Nazi, but as with any subject there are historical nuance and complexities within any country/population.

Yes indeed. Why is it unionists that are rioting, for example?

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 11:36

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:32

Because there were already simmering tensions and community cohesion was breaking down. You’ve tried to simplify it by screaming racism - because that word has power alongside Nazi, but as with any subject there are historical nuance and complexities within any country/population.

Poor basoon doesn't realise that people like basoon have caused the word racist to be almost meaningless, bit like their erroneous use of 'far right'

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EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:37

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:34

That may or may not be true. Australia has a different history to the UK but what’s their line on women’s single sex spaces? I’ve noticed that seems to be the litmus test for what is coming down the pipe.

Idk every state view on that which might be slightly different but it looks pretty bad. They won’t change in asylum policy though even now a centre left gov is in. No one would say yes go back to deaths at sea.

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 11:37

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:28

Australia doesn’t have the same issue. But they voted for different policies and won’t change them no matter who is in power.

Australia think men can be women. Women have no single sex rights in Australia, therefore. It's always been a misogynistic country.

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basoon · 12/06/2026 11:41

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 11:32

Because there were already simmering tensions and community cohesion was breaking down. You’ve tried to simplify it by screaming racism - because that word has power alongside Nazi, but as with any subject there are historical nuance and complexities within any country/population.

What's your take on the role of the loyalist paramilitaries in the riots? Immigration again? 😂

Bambiwithlonglegs · 12/06/2026 11:50

The UK and Human Rights worry more about the illegals and killers than safety of the British public…. Just watch the news.

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 11:51

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 11:37

Australia think men can be women. Women have no single sex rights in Australia, therefore. It's always been a misogynistic country.

Well yeh that’s bad. But separate to asylum policies.

MaturingCheeseball · 12/06/2026 13:53

Actually @basoon , both Catholics and Protestants were banding together in the riots. There were apparently joint meetings.

basoon · 12/06/2026 14:05

MaturingCheeseball · 12/06/2026 13:53

Actually @basoon , both Catholics and Protestants were banding together in the riots. There were apparently joint meetings.

Mainly loyalists actually spectator.com/article/why-is-it-mainly-loyalists-rioting-in-belfast/

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 14:25

MaturingCheeseball · 12/06/2026 13:53

Actually @basoon , both Catholics and Protestants were banding together in the riots. There were apparently joint meetings.

That shouldn’t make me smile but it rather proves the point that a common enemy is required for bonding and cohesion.

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · 12/06/2026 14:32

The murder rate will never be zero.

Immigrants are less likely, proportionally, to commit violent crimes than white British men.

However, if you wanted to rape someone and you found out that in the UK, 3 teenage boys can commit 11 counts of rape of 2 children and get no prison time, you might think that the UK is a good place to come and rape someone. Perhaps we should start properly dealing with rapists of all colours instead of worrying about their skin colour.

Honeyhonay · 12/06/2026 14:34

MaturingCheeseball · 12/06/2026 13:53

Actually @basoon , both Catholics and Protestants were banding together in the riots. There were apparently joint meetings.

No they weren’t. There was one vague report about one area, by and large it was loyalist groups rioting in their own areas.
What joint meetings? Every single piece of material created to spread the word for these riots originated and spread by loyalist groups.

Honeyhonay · 12/06/2026 14:36

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 14:25

That shouldn’t make me smile but it rather proves the point that a common enemy is required for bonding and cohesion.

It doesn’t prove a point because it’s rubbish. Even the location for these riots will give you a clue about the demographic involved.

Locutus2000 · 12/06/2026 14:44

MellowPoster · 12/06/2026 10:52

You were the one who chose to challenge my post on EU culpability. You could have kept your nonsense to yourself and had a think about it. But your problem is you can’t seem to think this through properly.

You are a die hard remainer aren’t you, evidenced by your defending the EU’s culpability in all of this.

Were you also one of those Keir Starmer voters, with a wet dream of him taking us back into the EU? By stealth?

The shit show of endless migration into Europe, is on the EU, and those that support, defend it, and deflect from that culpability including your self.

The UK should not be in this position of trying to protect its borders, let alone paying for them on our shores.

Don’t be surprised if the country finally elects Reform into government for the next election. The further hard right we go, people like you need to own it.

You are constructing a massive straw man by ascribing things to another poster they have not said and using it as the base for an ad-hominem attack. Finished off with a threat of course. Always the same.

Locutus2000 · 12/06/2026 14:45

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 11:36

Poor basoon doesn't realise that people like basoon have caused the word racist to be almost meaningless, bit like their erroneous use of 'far right'

Why does a word that has lost all meaning trigger the far-right so badly...

Clavinova · 12/06/2026 15:06

basoon · 12/06/2026 11:13

Actually the evidence shows that once you control for age and socio economic background, then yes white men are exactly as bad. But don't let facts get in the way of a good prejudice

In what percentage of cases is ethnicity data recorded? In a study on group based sex crimes linked to on another thread, the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims was only recorded in 29% of cases. Is ethnicity data better recorded for other crimes?

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 15:21

Locutus2000 · 12/06/2026 14:45

Why does a word that has lost all meaning trigger the far-right so badly...

Does it? Where are the far right?

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CarbootJunction · 12/06/2026 15:27

If this is the only thing Farage addresses when he gets to be Prime Minister, it will be worth it.

basoon · 12/06/2026 15:32

Honeyhonay · 12/06/2026 14:34

No they weren’t. There was one vague report about one area, by and large it was loyalist groups rioting in their own areas.
What joint meetings? Every single piece of material created to spread the word for these riots originated and spread by loyalist groups.

Let's not let unpleasant facts affect our opinions here. Much better just to believe any old unsubstantiated shite that suits our narrative.

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