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AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

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Northermcharn · 09/06/2026 19:11

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

The exterior entrance of Bristol Crown Court. It is a large sand coloured building with white columns outside the front, and large arched wooden double doors on the left.

Afghan men accused of fleeing UK after raping girl in Bristol

A jury is told three defendants left the country in a "deeply unusual" way after the alleged rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 12/06/2026 16:45

basoon · 12/06/2026 11:13

Actually the evidence shows that once you control for age and socio economic background, then yes white men are exactly as bad. But don't let facts get in the way of a good prejudice

You’re going to heed provide some actual evidence for that deeply imaginative claim.

Are you saying that our working class English boys are as likely to behead someone as say, a man from a brutally violent society like Sudan? Or if we give the man from Sudan some cash, he’s suddenly going to become a model citizen?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 12/06/2026 17:01

Bambiwithlonglegs · 12/06/2026 11:50

The UK and Human Rights worry more about the illegals and killers than safety of the British public…. Just watch the news.

Exactly. The 10 o clock BBC news last night did an extremely long piece about how worried a lady from Belfast was for the immigrants (she was even worried about Clive Myrie - thankfully he confirmed that he felt very safe) with the rioting.

They were VERY focused on the riots. Not focused on the perpetrator or the victim.

PluggyWuggy · 12/06/2026 17:16

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 12/06/2026 17:01

Exactly. The 10 o clock BBC news last night did an extremely long piece about how worried a lady from Belfast was for the immigrants (she was even worried about Clive Myrie - thankfully he confirmed that he felt very safe) with the rioting.

They were VERY focused on the riots. Not focused on the perpetrator or the victim.

It's funny how the ones that constantly claim to be scared and need security are the same ones that never have any violent crimes committed against them on UK soil but everytime a terrorist attack or violent random murder happens it's one of their own.

Yet they are the scared ones that need protection from the scary racists!

Honeyhonay · 12/06/2026 17:37

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 12/06/2026 17:01

Exactly. The 10 o clock BBC news last night did an extremely long piece about how worried a lady from Belfast was for the immigrants (she was even worried about Clive Myrie - thankfully he confirmed that he felt very safe) with the rioting.

They were VERY focused on the riots. Not focused on the perpetrator or the victim.

Probably because there was one victim of the stabbing attack countered by several times that affected by the violence of the riots. 27 people made homeless when their house was burnt out in the night, countless more terrorised when thugs went door to door checking for immigrants, cars and a bus hijacked and set alight, widespread disruption to public transport, people’s ability to get around and businesses closing.
You have to be pretty dense to not see how something affecting thousands of people for days straight will a bigger story than a single attack on a single person.

The perpetrator of the attack was arrested and taken into custody at the scene on Monday night, the attack and outcome was well reported on local and national news. It was a large story, no other attack in NI typically makes mainland news. On the flip the riots is an evolving and continuing story where people remain affected since Monday.
One event is ongoing and one was static, you can’t seriously a single attack would maintain headlines at the expense of current violence and distraction.

EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 17:43

That horrific attack shouldn’t be happening here therefore it has ramifications for how and why. And some big political upheaval to fix it.

MushMonster · 12/06/2026 17:53

I have a young daughter who needs to walk around on her own. I want this sorted ASAP.

basoon · 12/06/2026 20:05

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 12/06/2026 16:45

You’re going to heed provide some actual evidence for that deeply imaginative claim.

Are you saying that our working class English boys are as likely to behead someone as say, a man from a brutally violent society like Sudan? Or if we give the man from Sudan some cash, he’s suddenly going to become a model citizen?

Your working class English boys have been very savage around the world not least in Ireland

Persephonia1966 · 12/06/2026 20:49

I don't know about beheading, but the victim of the awful stabbing attack/attempted beheading in ireland had previously been the victim of a horrendous crime committed by an Ulster drug dealer (tortured, doused in flammable liquid and set on fire). Which is also why he was living where he was because he was still scared of people in the other part of the city. Ironically from the same general group of people now rioting in his name. So I don't think brutal violence is restricted to people from far away. And sadly it is vulnerable people who are hurt the most, often repeatedly.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 12/06/2026 22:08

basoon · 12/06/2026 20:05

Your working class English boys have been very savage around the world not least in Ireland

So you have no evidence of anything, just generalised lies and smears. 👍

basoon · 12/06/2026 22:12

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 12/06/2026 22:08

So you have no evidence of anything, just generalised lies and smears. 👍

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PluggyWuggy · 13/06/2026 07:58

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2065551333357219946?s=20

17yo girl stabbed twice in the neck, from behind, by yet another friendly immigrant.

Also a 17yo boy in Burnley, in a SEPARATE incident was hit in the face with a brick by another immigrant a few days ago.

Remember people of Burnley, diversity is our strength!

Politics UK (@PolitlcsUK) on X

🚨 NEW: A man has been arrested after allegedly stabbing a teenage girl in the back of the neck in Burnley

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2065551333357219946?s=20

PinkandPerky · 13/06/2026 09:02

PluggyWuggy · 13/06/2026 07:58

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2065551333357219946?s=20

17yo girl stabbed twice in the neck, from behind, by yet another friendly immigrant.

Also a 17yo boy in Burnley, in a SEPARATE incident was hit in the face with a brick by another immigrant a few days ago.

Remember people of Burnley, diversity is our strength!

Real links to real news reports please or it is just fake news to stir up trouble.

PluggyWuggy · 13/06/2026 09:09

PinkandPerky · 13/06/2026 09:02

Real links to real news reports please or it is just fake news to stir up trouble.

Its not fake news though is it?

15 years a go a child getting randomly stabbed in the neck from behind would be front page news.

Now its hidden away in local news sections.

And X is the only place you can find the footage and information because mainstream media surpress it so people don't know and don't 'get angry!'

PinkandPerky · 13/06/2026 09:34

PluggyWuggy · 13/06/2026 09:09

Its not fake news though is it?

15 years a go a child getting randomly stabbed in the neck from behind would be front page news.

Now its hidden away in local news sections.

And X is the only place you can find the footage and information because mainstream media surpress it so people don't know and don't 'get angry!'

It does not say who the attacker was in the news report you posted.

(edited as misread)

Persephonia1966 · 13/06/2026 17:52

It would not have been front page news 15 or 20 years ago. I know someone who was a victim of a knife attack when we were young and it wasn't a huge news story. It would have been if they'd died. It is also a bigger news story if it has a terrorism element. That doesn't make it any less horrific that it occurred, especially to a teenager and I hope the man rots in prison.
I am not sure if he is an immigrant though. It says he was of Pakistani heritage. The victim was alsonof Pakistani heritage. That doesn't make it any better. But it does mean it doesn't fit with the idea that people are coming into the country and attacking the "native population". It also means, and the police don't mention it because she deserves privacy, that it wasn't necessarily random. It might have been someone known to the victim or known to her family. And unfortunately, women being attacked but not killed by men they know is not a front page news story usually, regardless of ethnicity.

Dnfs · 13/06/2026 18:52

VAWG is disgusting and horrific. It's horrible if a white person does it or if a non-white person does it. The question we need to ask if what does the data clearly say on per capita. Are certain men more at risk of committing these disgusting acts than others?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 13/06/2026 22:53

Persephonia1966 · 13/06/2026 17:52

It would not have been front page news 15 or 20 years ago. I know someone who was a victim of a knife attack when we were young and it wasn't a huge news story. It would have been if they'd died. It is also a bigger news story if it has a terrorism element. That doesn't make it any less horrific that it occurred, especially to a teenager and I hope the man rots in prison.
I am not sure if he is an immigrant though. It says he was of Pakistani heritage. The victim was alsonof Pakistani heritage. That doesn't make it any better. But it does mean it doesn't fit with the idea that people are coming into the country and attacking the "native population". It also means, and the police don't mention it because she deserves privacy, that it wasn't necessarily random. It might have been someone known to the victim or known to her family. And unfortunately, women being attacked but not killed by men they know is not a front page news story usually, regardless of ethnicity.

I am not sure if he is an immigrant though. It says he was of Pakistani heritage. The victim was alsonof Pakistani heritage. That doesn't make it any better. But it does mean it doesn't fit with the idea that people are coming into the country and attacking the "native population".

If he is of Pakistani heritage’, that means that his parents were immigrants to this country as by definition those of Pakistani heritage are not indigenous to the UK.

As some families of Pakistani heritage are more interested in maintaining their Pakistani heritage and not interested in assimilating and becoming British citizens with Western values, That absolutely fits with the idea that people are coming into the country and attacking the native population.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 13/06/2026 23:00

Dnfs · 13/06/2026 18:52

VAWG is disgusting and horrific. It's horrible if a white person does it or if a non-white person does it. The question we need to ask if what does the data clearly say on per capita. Are certain men more at risk of committing these disgusting acts than others?

The data from countries like Norway and other European countries who have already had the huge migrant influx that we are in fairly early stages with says that certain countries top the list of per capita crimes. These include Sudan, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Our government refuses to even gather the data (so they claim) We should be asking why.

In these febrile times, IF the crimes data of all migrants was the same or lower than indigenous British men, the government would surely calm everything down by releasing this data and proving all the objections to immigrants wrong. They won’t do that and I think it is obvious why.

Dnfs · 14/06/2026 05:21

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 13/06/2026 23:00

The data from countries like Norway and other European countries who have already had the huge migrant influx that we are in fairly early stages with says that certain countries top the list of per capita crimes. These include Sudan, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Our government refuses to even gather the data (so they claim) We should be asking why.

In these febrile times, IF the crimes data of all migrants was the same or lower than indigenous British men, the government would surely calm everything down by releasing this data and proving all the objections to immigrants wrong. They won’t do that and I think it is obvious why.

Which makes me wonder why a big crowd on here are saying "white men are bad as well" and just ignoring this data.

MushMonster · 14/06/2026 10:07

We need the data. That is something that can be easily done and the only thing that will throw clarity into this.

PluggyWuggy · 14/06/2026 10:13

Dnfs · 14/06/2026 05:21

Which makes me wonder why a big crowd on here are saying "white men are bad as well" and just ignoring this data.

We all know we have our own homegrown problems here, nobody can deny that we have our own paedophiles and rapists.
So tue question is why would we import more men? And its always bloody men that come over.

And the issue is the cultural background of these men when it comes to women.

They are taught women are objects that need to be covered up so their instincts arent triggered. They have no concept of consent. Women are either covered, pious and kept that way for marriage (and then its fair game as she belongs to him) or they are uncovered and prostitutes.

I know people on here hate X/twitter but if you go down the rabbit hole of immigrants harassing women caught on video its absolutely clear that these men hate western women and see them as nothing more than walking pornography.

And also the cuture of abuse is different. Here, if a man is outed as a paedo he is on the whole, shunned and ostracised. Friends and family are devastated and disgusted. Yes of course there are 'rings' of people that abuse but they are usually found through online activities.
Pakistani rape gangs were family knit. In what other culture would a rapist have a victim and openly ring round gis family of brothers, uncles, father and invite them to come abuse? And no one, including the women in the family does anything to stop it? That is an ingrained cultural problem that we do not have here. It is an serious imported problem that lead to the rape of thousands of British children.

EasternStandard · 14/06/2026 10:24

MushMonster · 14/06/2026 10:07

We need the data. That is something that can be easily done and the only thing that will throw clarity into this.

I don’t see the point of accepting any crimes related to a system with no checks.

People can’t die or women and girls raped due to being used as a proxy vetting system.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/06/2026 10:35

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 13/06/2026 23:00

The data from countries like Norway and other European countries who have already had the huge migrant influx that we are in fairly early stages with says that certain countries top the list of per capita crimes. These include Sudan, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Our government refuses to even gather the data (so they claim) We should be asking why.

In these febrile times, IF the crimes data of all migrants was the same or lower than indigenous British men, the government would surely calm everything down by releasing this data and proving all the objections to immigrants wrong. They won’t do that and I think it is obvious why.

Of course they won’t, they’ve their head in the sand. Going forward they need a make extreme changes, holding areas for newcomers until they can somewhat trace their identity, an international data base, fuck even a European data base, there has been countless incidents of men hoping from one European country to another with a criminal background in other European country’s. It’s time to fix things as best they can going forward as the current system clearly doesn’t work.

I read this morning, can’t remember the extra percentage but close to half of under age immigrants seeking international protection where adult men, one was 44 years old, enrolled in secondary school.

Similarly in Ireland, in an under age resident home, a Somalian man claiming to be a child, stabbed a Ukrainian child aged 17 over 30 times for cooking bacon, he had to be identified by DNA as the face and neck were destroyed. The poor Ukrainian child was in Ireland one week. Thanks to social services placing a man in with the teenagers, unsupervised.