AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

[Northermcharn]

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

In your desperation to smear us you appear to have jumped to some conclusions on the ethnicity of the perpetrators which are totally unfounded. How can you tell what ethnicity or religion the masked man dressed all in black is setting a fire is?

And for the second attack the police confirmed the following:

In an update on their Facebook page on Wednesday 15 May, Lancashire Police say there is "no suggestion" that the arson attack was "racially or religiously motivated".

And the attack on a man by the young girl - she was not British. The colour of her skin is irrelevant.

You know that some brown or black people commit violence on other brown or black people too?

All of these failures to listen to the people who have been calling the immigration problem out for years has finally come home to roost, and about time too.
It’s too late of course, the time to have tightened up immigration was 30 years ago.
However better late than never.

People deride Tommy Robinson as a racist. There’s no doubt about that.
But if they stopped and listened to some of his speeches, it would be obvious that some of the concerns he plays on are valid.
And week after week, some of the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers commit horrendous crimes that justify his narrative

Agree this too.
Wondering why so many ordinary people attend his rallies, I have taken the time to listen to recordings of speeches made by Tommy Robinson, and some of the written work. He is too extreme which attracts rage NF type, but he needs those around for protection perhaps. But fundamental he speaks much truth.

I find it interesting that people ascribe so much power to Tommy Robinson.

As if, without him, people would simply be fine and happy with street beheadings, gang rapes, stabbings, ethnic corruption etc.

Everyone was apparently totally fine with all this until Tommy Robinson / Elon Musk / Farage's bots informed them that they should actually be angry about it...

TR / Elon et al would have nothing to grab onto if people weren't organically angry.

I read an article in the Spectator on this and there were some very interesting points which articulate what we’ve been seeing.

The government and others need people like Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins and to an extent Nigel Farage. They perform an important but detrimental function.

This is how it goes:

Something terrible happens
Government and media try and ignore it or play it down

Tommy, Katie or Nigel comment on it.

Government and media are forced into admitting that something happened and make generalised non committal noises.

Government then pivots straight to criticism and extensive focus on everything Nigel, Katie or Tommy say so they never have to talk about the thing that happened ever again. Ad infinitum.

Yes it’s weird. I have never listened to any Tommy or Farage speech, yet I still have an opinion on control and consequences of immigration - how did that happen?

Your problem is that you keep proving you cannot even follow a coherent argument, never mind your own.

You are a diehard remainer, now struggling with the very obvious fact that your beloved EU is the primary cause of this problem across the EU. It hurts you deeply, because you are so wedded to the EU shit show that it’s far too uncomfortable for you to see its very damaging, dangerous side, and admit the staggering arrogance and stupidity of those running it. Because you cannot bare to let go of it.

And this is why you defend it. Better to keep blaming the UK that you hate, and get back in the EU, and enjoy the shit show more fully.

Sure, Starmer is a bell end for dropping Rwanda. But what about the rest of the EU struggling with rapes etc. No one asked for this, but the EU elites think they know best. Merkel certainly thought she did. If only the EU could think to follow Poland and Hungary’s example, but no, they can’t have that can they. But if only they would do that, there wouldn’t even have been any need for the Rwanda scheme in the first place. It is utterly ludicrous that such a scheme should even have to have been thought of.

The EU elites have caused this damage. People who support them are party to it. That’s the end of it.

I think they are letting them in deliberately (why else aren't they protecting citizens in the UK?) and they are doing nothing because they want it to go to civil war so they can lock us down again.
Freedom of speech has gone as so are a lot of our freedoms.

The people rioting are angry and scared of the direction of this country and they aren't being listened to.
It's too easy to say 'racist', that's just ignoring the very valid concerns of the people.

Maybe Starmer should stop calling people names and listen to their concerns seeing as we pay his wages.

People being stabbed, women and girls being raped and there are NO penalties whatsoever. None. Of course people are angry.

Why are the Thames waterboard holding recruitment days for 'refugees'? (Doubtless this is a funded scheme by the Government)

We've got mass unemployment of young people thanks to Reeve's shitty tax harvesting move of static tax thresholds but increase in NMW.

Why aren't they being given priority?

Big business is absolutely fucking us over, energy firms are killing us financially, these are all garnering huge tax for the Government yet all anyone seems to be bothered about is fucking Palestine.

They aren't listening to tax paying voters who are rightly concerned about these
undocumented men from countries that treat women and girls like shit.

In the town I work in there have been quite a few incidents of these men hanging around children's playgrounds, one was moved from one migrant hotel to another because he kept wanking in the street (the footage of him was all over local social media) and aggressively hassling women. The police did fuck all. He was just moved elsewhere and from the footage continued to do it again.
He was literally wanking in public on the steps of the hotel he was staying in.

I've even been harassed myself getting into my car in a Asda car park by two of the men from the local migrant hotel.

I'm an immigrant myself and I had to go through a strict process but this is a fucking free for all.

If anyone is defending them I can only assume you don't live somewhere near a migrant hotel.

The list of homes to be targeted/firebombed in Belfast was circulated well before the Nowak or Ogilvie attacks. So the riots aren't in 'response' to the stabbings. People have been getting organised by someone for well over 6 months.

Therefore the police could have protected these homes over the last few nights - why didn't they?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/11/police-warned-addresses-targeted-belfast-riots

Your problem is you can’t even read, you keep attributing random things to me that have never been said nor implied.

You want to rant about what you want to rant about regardless of the content of the comment you’re replying. It’s boring and sad.

The PSNI just does not have the resources to blockade 50 homes when this riot was organised with a couple of hours noticed. The current action was organised by loyalist groups and circulated on the day the riot was to take place.
Most of the homes which were actually burnt out were not only homes from the list.

Why add to our problems. One more rapist is too many for me.

So the police were not interested in protecting the safety of occupants of the HMOs - they have their eye on the main prize which is smearing all protestors about immigration as ‘far right thugs’ so they can shut down all dissent.

The scale of the Guardians downplaying of the negative impact to the lives of local Northern Irish is apparent when you look at their description of the recent attempt at beheading/eye gouging by the Sudanese refugee that the victim was reported trying to help:

Three days later, rioting broke out after Stephen Ogilvie was stabbed. A Sudanese refugee has been charged with attempted murder. The family of the stabbing victim have condemned the violent protests.

Surely they could just blockade the relevant streets. It didn’t look like many.

@MellowPoster posted about the EU which culminated in:
The EU elites have caused this damage. People who support them are party to it. That’s the end of it.

She is spot on.

The Merkel Wave caused so much grief for EU countries as Merkel stood there with a foghorn and announced come one, come all and don't forget we were in the EU at the time.

The Dublin Agreement is not effective.

Spain have just granted 500k undocumented immigrants legal residency. Another klaxon. Another wave will arrive. Will these people stay in Spain?

Agree with all you've said, and the pp. It's a tap, and it's never going to run dry. Unless it's turned off.

Re: Brexit, it seems clear to me that this isn't a pure EU vs UK issue. They represent two hurdles to getting control of British borders. One has been partially removed (EU and associated freedom of movement rules, but not the ECHR which still restricts us).

But all that gives is the freedom to set our own immigration policy. If we have the same open borders types in OUR government as there are in the EU, nothing happens.

At this point there is nothing stopping us withdrawing from or otherwise deciding to ignore the ECHR, so I fall in the camp of blaming our government. I don't think we should constrain our sovereignty further by closer ties to the EU. I don't think those are contradictory - suspect a few posters may be violently agreeing with each other :)

And a reminder post on the Dublin agreement

Migration Watch - Transfers of asylum seekers from the UK under the Dublin system (2019)

The UK received more migrants than it sent out under that agreement. Note, I usually see this in the news as being "the agreement that forces migrants back to the first country of arrival", but there are multiple factors which have higher priority, including having relatives in the destination country (which is largely why so many ended up in the UK, as this is a higher priority factor than first country).

GOV.UK - Dublin III regulation - read chapter III, articles 7-15 for an explanation of the priority order of factors

Yes and the country has to say yes, which they don’t. If it was that easy everyone would be sent back to first entry countries and Italy, Greece and Spain would rightly say no way.

The media are very bad on that line, it’s misinformation.

You were the one who chose to challenge my post on EU culpability. You could have kept your nonsense to yourself and had a think about it. But your problem is you can’t seem to think this through properly.

You are a die hard remainer aren’t you, evidenced by your defending the EU’s culpability in all of this.

Were you also one of those Keir Starmer voters, with a wet dream of him taking us back into the EU? By stealth?

The shit show of endless migration into Europe, is on the EU, and those that support, defend it, and deflect from that culpability including your self.

The UK should not be in this position of trying to protect its borders, let alone paying for them on our shores.

Don’t be surprised if the country finally elects Reform into government for the next election. The further hard right we go, people like you need to own it.

I do but we have to keep 'are wimin and girls safe' and protect them at all costs.

Why let ppl in if they are going to rape and abuse...so we must close the borders to all. We cannot let more in...and it would be wrong to let rapists into other countries so cannot let our own rapists travel to say Spain as that is wrong of us to let that happen so they must not travel at all.

Much better to forfeit travel to keep us all safe. We can always holiday here.

You think a reasonable solution is that no one should ever be allowed to leave the UK for any reason whatsoever?

And why do you think these groups were already plotting to hit certain targets before the latest atrocity happened?

I don’t think we can turn it off. Central African Republic, Chad, Somalia, Niger and the Democratic Republic of the Congo have the highest birth rates in the world. Those people will be on the move for both economic and climate reasons.

Having said that they do believe when the Gulf Stream collapses we will become extremely cold. That might put some people off. Particularly if we’ve gone back to huddling round a fire.