Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

If they don’t see a problem with men using ladies toilets then why do they have a problem as trans women using men’s toilets?

Is it because they are threatened by men who don’t want them in there either so they feel safer in the ladies where they are the stronger sex.

Said it last time, saying it again. I am a single issue voter, this issue. If I get a party on the left saying women have rights, have value and don't exist to validate men - I'll vote for them. Can't see one right now though. Can you?

Haven't been in the T5 lounge, but the toilets in the terminal itself (which are for the majority of passengers) are separate sex ones.

It doesn't affect men, so lots of them don't think about it.
In their toilets they take a piss, zip up and leave. Some even wash their hands.
They don't think about all the things a woman might need a toilet for.

I appreciate the men who DO think about the issues involved here.

I don't care. This is about Burnham.

We have on tape Burnham saying that effectively women's rights don't matter and anyone who's says they do is a biggot.

He can fuck off.

He's wrong about this of course but there's only a small number of men who want to use the ladies toilets, so surely by his logic they should just get over it

Many, many other serious issues of today also concern women, who are more than 50% of the population. If you don't know what a woman is, how can you even begin to address all of those other issues?

If politicians cannot even understand, and be proven to understand, the basics, how can we ever have confidence in them when dealing with everything else?

Until about 10 years ago, single-sex spaces based on actual, biological sex, was one of those basics.

Thissssss!

But every one of MY female friends IS bothered about this.

What a ridiculous thread four years ago firstly everyone was saying the same thing. We’ve now got a new law. keep up.

I think we have much more concrete evidence that Labour is anti women than rumours and conspiracy theories about "far right" funding of UK parties - given we have actual tape of Andy actually saying this.

Once a left wing party makes this core to their manifesto, I'll vote for them.

That's a really good point.

If minority opinion is not important, why did a minority of men who want to access women's spaces not get told no?

Yet again, double standards

Exactly. Campaign for men to be accepting of gender non conforming men in their spaces.

What new law?

The law has not changed.

They never ask do they - they say women are all fine unless there something "wrong" with them - ie been attacked or religious.

Privacy and safety women talk about just doesn't seem to matter. A minority issue something that affects 51% of the population. Another left wing man telling women their issues are completely unimportant.

It's not the sole issue I would vote on but is a powerful indicator of how much listening a party or indidual is actually capable of and how much they just don't care about large swaths of electorate.

Firstly, it's not a new law. It's clarification of an existing law.

And you might have a point if Labour showed any desire to actually implement that existing law. But they don't.

What’s the new law?

Exactly this

This ^
Im objecting. I don’t think I’m in minority and actually I don’t have a particular bad past experience - I have an average experience .

YANBU but AB most definitely is BU!

He’s a self righteous prick! Another who can’t read the room.
Where do they find these nonces!
Has he no family/ wife, girl children to put him right?
Or is it correct that he has a “King” complex.

Two questions.

Is Andy Burnham a woman?

Is it a man’s right to give away women’s spaces?

There's so much ridiculous talk about how knowing men aren't women and that women have a right to single sex spaces is a tenet of right wing ideology. It's not, obviously, but how telling that left wing ideologues think women should self sacrifice to help prevent migration to the right over the issue - but don't think the mainstream left should change its position to the one reflecting reality. It's somehow still all women's fault, and it's important enough to sacrifice them but not important enough for the left to, frankly, stop fucking lying.

If anyone actually truly believes single sex intimate spaces, sports and so on are a right wing tenet (and you don't, but if you need something external to give you permission to reject it), then the Communist Party is GC and sex realist, so if it's left wing enough for them, I'm sure it's enough for you.

it's another shet down technique. Scream "far right" at anythign you don't want to engage with. Like women's rights weirdly.

Fantastic post 👏