Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

Excellent point.

Actually women's rights were generally thought of as 'left wing', before the difference between right wing and left wing misogynists became a blur.

I completely agree that religious crackpots like Douglas Wilson want us all to be living in the Handmaid's Tale, and they have been given a head start in the US by all the 'progressive' organisations who can't talk about abortion and contraception as women's rights issues for fear of hurting men's egos.

You cannot protect women's rights like access to birth control if you cannot explain what a woman is. Covid had a sex specific impact on maternity and post natal care, access to the morning after pill, access to fertility treatment, but according to some 'progressive' groups these are just random things that could happen to anyone so any kind of analysis of the impact on women is exclusionary.

The Equality Act in the UK is under attack both from people who want to repeal it completely and people who want to remove sex based discrimination from the act.

Honestly, I cannot tell the difference between somebody who thinks women should meet gendered expectations and behave like a tradwife and somebody who thinks a woman who does not meet gendered expectations isn't a woman.

That idiot doesnt seem to understand that women do not fancy squaring up to psychologically ill men who think they are women in the toilets in case they are attacked so they just ignore and leave.
He is a fuckwit of the highest order.

The most intolerant, can’t handle other opinions, deny biological reality people I’ve met in recent times have been vocally ‘left’.

Left wings politics is dominated by authoritarian purity spirals. You must show you are more pure and more committed than the person next to you so you have to go slightly further, then the next person has to go even further and before you know it you have grown ups saying men are women, borders should not exist and you can tax the rich until they bleed without consequence

I was a Green Party member, previously a Labour Party member. They sure as hell left me, I did not leave them.

Trying to shut women up is all they have now, and now that No Debate is well and truly over, they're getting more and more desperate for ways to shut down discourse. Labelling everything "right wing" that 10 years ago was "normal discourse " is just the latest attempt.

Too late, that ship has sailed.

My niece is at uni and presents herself as TWAW and lecturing everybody on being kind and accepting of others blah blah blah. But then I asked her views on women’s sports and prisons, she went around the houses for ages before finally agreeing that yes, TW had no business being in women’s sport or prisons. And when I said “apparently people with penises can now be lesbians” she burst out laughing. No one, literally no one, really believes this nonsense. There are just some people who say it because they want to be seen as kind, progressive and accepting, and those who think there is some advantage (Andy B and the Labour loons) to saying TWAW…and then there are the rest of us who see this nonsense for what it is.

We shouldn’t vote for them.

Daily Mail. Very misleading headline. Enough said.

Misogyny knows no political boundaries or affiliation.

I think Burnham is referring to the women’s loos because TWAW, not those neutral cubicles which they have eg at the National Gallery (which I also didn’t like but not due to danger or discomfort just general pissyness) . Anyway Burnham can fuck right off, ‘small minority’ my arse.

I wasn’t saying this 4 years ago…that’s why I was even reluctant to vote Labour at some point. Luckily they changed their stance.
I’m a Labour supporter I want them achieve good things for the country ( and obviously for myself). Naturally I want to know Andy Burnham’s views, if he has changed his past views - fine, but I want him to clarify this.
By the way it’s not about law it’s about common sense for me, I don’t want government lacking common sense.

Yes this to me is the worrying bit. He needs to catch up! Maybe have a chat with Rosie Duffield or something ….

"He was asked whether men who self-identify as women should be allowed to use women's toilets.
He replied: 'Clearly there is a group of people who do feel that toilets should be a safe space only for women and there should not be anyone biologically a male allowed in that space.
'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'"

So misleading...

I think most are when they encountered it.

Though FIL and DS aren't exactly keen on the mixed sex toilets that we've encountered in two nearby cities when we been to them in last few years presumably to avoid the two sexes loos situations.

They've been one room (not like ones off corridors with different entrances) one queue cubicles with doors that fit completely - which I find claustrophobic and I believe can have safetly implications for collapses - and sinks and dryers.

From my view they are better than men just going to women's - but still not great.

It seems to be a very small minority pushing all these changes and everyone else just has to put up with it.

Me and every cisgender woman I know are not the slightest bit bothered about where transgender or non binary people go to the toilet.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'cisgender' (identifies with gendered expectations so some kind of tradwife if female?), but there is no way to know somebody's gender identity, so the only logical outcome is completely mixed toilets.

You might be fine with that, but can you not understand that some women don't want to share toilet provision with men?

This view alone makes him totally unelectable.

A GRC doesn't require someone to have had surgery or be taking cross sex hormones.

That's exactly what I was going to comment. But you summarised it far better in one sentence than I could have in a whole paragraph 😀.

I don’t want a penis in women’s spaces. End of

I love it when men mansplain what women think. How would we know anything about the world if they didn’t tell us?

It's actually not a woman's right to give away single-sex spaces either. The minority of women who are fine with everything being made mixed (because that is what happens if transwomen are allowed into women's spaces, the spaces become mixed) cannot consent for the rest of us.

And he, as a man, would know that how?

Typical man, assuming he knows best. What an arrogant prat.

Actually, I think not enough said.

Would you care to expand on your comment, specifically what is misleading about the headline? (That is, if you have anything else to say besides attempting thought-terminating clichés?)

Exactly 💯