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English people are second class citizens

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NotAnotherScarf · 23/04/2026 20:05

Aibu To be annoyed about so many Facebook posts about celebrating st George's day being racist. No one post this for st Patrick's day, st Andrew's or st David's.... Hogmanay and burns night have parties

By celebrating being English, passing democracy to the world, Shakespeare, Agatha Christie, TV, the jet engine, the internet... railways, the industrial revolution, beer, the Beatles... All should be celebrated.

Yes we did some shite things...but white slavery (20+ million), the Holocaust, programs in Eastern Europe. King Leopold of Belgium hunting African people. The depopulation of parts of the USSR, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia.....all things that in the last 125 years England has nothing to do with...yet people like to think that we who celebrate our Englishness are scum.

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Holidaymodeon · 23/04/2026 20:05

NotAnotherScarf · 23/04/2026 20:05

Aibu To be annoyed about so many Facebook posts about celebrating st George's day being racist. No one post this for st Patrick's day, st Andrew's or st David's.... Hogmanay and burns night have parties

By celebrating being English, passing democracy to the world, Shakespeare, Agatha Christie, TV, the jet engine, the internet... railways, the industrial revolution, beer, the Beatles... All should be celebrated.

Yes we did some shite things...but white slavery (20+ million), the Holocaust, programs in Eastern Europe. King Leopold of Belgium hunting African people. The depopulation of parts of the USSR, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia.....all things that in the last 125 years England has nothing to do with...yet people like to think that we who celebrate our Englishness are scum.

Lol

AppleKatie · 23/04/2026 20:07

I’ve seen loads of these types of posts today and yet none of these people have got off their arses and planned a party! If you want one plan it. If nobody wants to come to your party it’s probably not because parties themselves have been banned 🤔

emmetgirl · 23/04/2026 20:08

Here we go.

Hannaseed · 23/04/2026 20:09

Have yourself a party then. Wave your flag, paint a few roundabouts.

TheSmallAssassin · 23/04/2026 20:11

I haven't see any posts like that.

BewareoftheLambs · 23/04/2026 20:11

Nonsense. People call out racism, not celebrating England. Unfortunately, many people hide racism behind flying the English flag, which is quite a different matter.

SpringAndSunshineIsHere · 23/04/2026 20:11

🙄🙄🙄🙄

SpringAndSunshineIsHere · 23/04/2026 20:12

BewareoftheLambs · 23/04/2026 20:11

Nonsense. People call out racism, not celebrating England. Unfortunately, many people hide racism behind flying the English flag, which is quite a different matter.

Exactly this!

NotAnotherScarf · 23/04/2026 20:12

AppleKatie · 23/04/2026 20:07

I’ve seen loads of these types of posts today and yet none of these people have got off their arses and planned a party! If you want one plan it. If nobody wants to come to your party it’s probably not because parties themselves have been banned 🤔

I've just got home from a party...my mates have organised. It happens every year in our middle class town... only us working class attend

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sofiamofia · 23/04/2026 20:12

passing democracy to the world

Please explain this one.

What have you done to celebrate the day?

SpringAndSunshineIsHere · 23/04/2026 20:12

Hannaseed · 23/04/2026 20:09

Have yourself a party then. Wave your flag, paint a few roundabouts.

🤣🤣🤣

user1471453601 · 23/04/2026 20:12

I think Greeks may have a problem with your belief the British passed democracy into the world.

Apart from that, I think your post reeks of goady.

Lndnmummy · 23/04/2026 20:13

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Delici · 23/04/2026 20:14

I haven’t seen anything like that. Maybe you need better friends?

Burningbud1981 · 23/04/2026 20:14

LOL. Love how St George’s day apparently represents being English. But St George was born in Turkey!

Namingbaba · 23/04/2026 20:16

Sorry but the TV wasn’t invented by an Englishman unless you’re just meaning great TV shows then fine I’ll give you that 😂

DannyDeever · 23/04/2026 20:17

There's going to be a parade and a church service attended by Guides, Scouts, Cubs, Brownies in pretty much every town in.the country this Sunday. That's how we've always celebrated St George's day, I've never heard of a St George's Day Party.

JLou08 · 23/04/2026 20:17

Who's saying St George's Day is racist? That's new to me.

Overtheatlantic · 23/04/2026 20:18

Yeah, the English didn’t pass democracy to the rest of the world.
From the Greek - demos (people) and kratos (rule)

ilovesooty · 23/04/2026 20:19

NotAnotherScarf · 23/04/2026 20:12

I've just got home from a party...my mates have organised. It happens every year in our middle class town... only us working class attend

How do you select those who are allowed to go? Aren't the so called middle class allowed to come to your patriotic party?

SomersetBrie · 23/04/2026 20:19

Just enjoy the day.
You don't need to make a list of all the great things the English did, I don't think the other countries you mention celebrate in that way.

Lndnmummy · 23/04/2026 20:20

Cosmication · 23/04/2026 20:12

I thought this was a really interesting and helpful article OP

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2026/17-april/comment/opinion/english-churches-should-fly-the-flag-of-st-george?utm_campaign=church-times&utm_medium=email&utm_edition=202604201130&utm_source=newsletter

Basically, fly the flag by all means but in doing so it's crucial to vocally advocate for a healthy kind of patriotism, one that welcomes the stranger, rather than entrenches itself in 'us and them' narratives.

There is no way, anyone will see that disgrace of a flag and feel welcome as a stranger. (Said very much as a stranger).
What is it you feel the need to celebrate exactly? Slavery? The Monarchy? Colonialism? Brexit?

TheSmallAssassin · 23/04/2026 20:20

DannyDeever · 23/04/2026 20:17

There's going to be a parade and a church service attended by Guides, Scouts, Cubs, Brownies in pretty much every town in.the country this Sunday. That's how we've always celebrated St George's day, I've never heard of a St George's Day Party.

The OP is SO PROUD of our country but doesn't seem to be aware of our actual traditions.

decorationday · 23/04/2026 20:21

Pretty sure that we have the Greeks to thank for democracy.

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