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English people are second class citizens

501 replies

NotAnotherScarf · 23/04/2026 20:05

Aibu To be annoyed about so many Facebook posts about celebrating st George's day being racist. No one post this for st Patrick's day, st Andrew's or st David's.... Hogmanay and burns night have parties

By celebrating being English, passing democracy to the world, Shakespeare, Agatha Christie, TV, the jet engine, the internet... railways, the industrial revolution, beer, the Beatles... All should be celebrated.

Yes we did some shite things...but white slavery (20+ million), the Holocaust, programs in Eastern Europe. King Leopold of Belgium hunting African people. The depopulation of parts of the USSR, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia.....all things that in the last 125 years England has nothing to do with...yet people like to think that we who celebrate our Englishness are scum.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 20:44

nomas · 23/04/2026 20:38

Sadiq Khan has planned a big St George's Day party in London.

Ironically that just angers some people more Hmm

He can't win.

Well hang on, who is it angering?

ByWittyGoose · 23/04/2026 20:44

DannyDeever · 23/04/2026 20:17

There's going to be a parade and a church service attended by Guides, Scouts, Cubs, Brownies in pretty much every town in.the country this Sunday. That's how we've always celebrated St George's day, I've never heard of a St George's Day Party.

I always wish a happy St George's Day to my Scout friends
I was a leader for many years, we can be proud
Some of the goady posts irritate me.

It's assumed because I put a picture on my social media that I paint roundabouts and burn hotels. It's tiresome

Coffeeandbooks88 · 23/04/2026 20:45

nomas · 23/04/2026 20:43

Much of the Magna Carta is borrowed from European continental feudal law.

Yes plus Anglo Saxon but it is an English law agreement that for example the US used.

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 23/04/2026 20:45

decorationday · 23/04/2026 20:21

Pretty sure that we have the Greeks to thank for democracy.

Different democracy (we have representative democracy) and quite a different set of people allowed to vote these days. Mostly they gave us the word, rather more than the concept. Almost all civilisations have had some form of a ruling class made up of multiple people (few empowers and dictators). We still have a ruling class, just one with a periodic nod to the proles every few years. And that popularity contest stops us doing intelligent and necessary things.

Ancient Greek democracy, most notably in Athens (c. 507–321 BCE), was a direct system where eligible citizens—freeborn men—voted directly on laws, served in councils (Boule) chosen by lot, and held trials with massive juries. It was a "rule by the people" focused on equality and direct participation, differing from modern representative democracy

Mia184 · 23/04/2026 20:45

Hannaseed · 23/04/2026 20:39

Cats rule.

Larry has ruled 10 Downing Street for 15 years! 😸

nomas · 23/04/2026 20:46

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 20:42

I have no need, I don’t particularly like this country, but I think people who would like to celebrate are made to feel like they are racists.

No, they aren't. There was a big celebration on Sunday.

You're referring to the minority of idiots who use St George's Day as an excuse to be racist.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 23/04/2026 20:46

TV was invented by a Scotsman.

ColourThief · 23/04/2026 20:46

NotAnotherScarf · 23/04/2026 20:05

Aibu To be annoyed about so many Facebook posts about celebrating st George's day being racist. No one post this for st Patrick's day, st Andrew's or st David's.... Hogmanay and burns night have parties

By celebrating being English, passing democracy to the world, Shakespeare, Agatha Christie, TV, the jet engine, the internet... railways, the industrial revolution, beer, the Beatles... All should be celebrated.

Yes we did some shite things...but white slavery (20+ million), the Holocaust, programs in Eastern Europe. King Leopold of Belgium hunting African people. The depopulation of parts of the USSR, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia.....all things that in the last 125 years England has nothing to do with...yet people like to think that we who celebrate our Englishness are scum.

Bore off, OP.
That poster of Nigel Farage isn’t going to lick itself.

ByTidyHazelQuoter · 23/04/2026 20:47

Waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

literallyarabbit · 23/04/2026 20:47

Gosh, I always thought Solon was the father of democracy due to his reforms in 594BC.

😳

nomas · 23/04/2026 20:47

Coffeeandbooks88 · 23/04/2026 20:45

Yes plus Anglo Saxon but it is an English law agreement that for example the US used.

Not sure the US is a bastion of democracy.

cardibach · 23/04/2026 20:47

I’ve seen posts like this claiming they are prevented from celebrating, but no post criticising celebrating. Odd huh?

OneFunBrickNewt · 23/04/2026 20:47

Find a roundabout and chuck some red paint on it like a chav.

Coffeeandbooks88 · 23/04/2026 20:48

nomas · 23/04/2026 20:47

Not sure the US is a bastion of democracy.

Well yes but that wasn't my point.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 20:48

OneFunBrickNewt · 23/04/2026 20:47

Find a roundabout and chuck some red paint on it like a chav.

Isn’t ‘chav’ a pejorative term?

Coffeeandbooks88 · 23/04/2026 20:48

OneFunBrickNewt · 23/04/2026 20:47

Find a roundabout and chuck some red paint on it like a chav.

Is this to anyone celebrating or just OP?

OneFunBrickNewt · 23/04/2026 20:48

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 20:44

Well hang on, who is it angering?

The Daily Mail and those who write the vile comments underneath any article about him.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 20:49

nomas · 23/04/2026 20:46

No, they aren't. There was a big celebration on Sunday.

You're referring to the minority of idiots who use St George's Day as an excuse to be racist.

Where was the big celebration? If we found talk of the ‘big celebration’ online would we find a lot of people laying into the people who attended?

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 23/04/2026 20:50

Lndnmummy · 23/04/2026 20:29

Sure, you can point that out. 'It wasn't just us X Y Z did it too' isn't an argument I tend to use though.

Try the argument that Britain abolished the Atlantic slave trade. And because it ruled the seas at the time it stopped.

Thechaseison71 · 23/04/2026 20:50

2 pubs in our town tend to have st George day party, same 2 do st Patrick's. Poor st David doesn't get anything

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 23/04/2026 20:50

OneFunBrickNewt · 23/04/2026 20:48

The Daily Mail and those who write the vile comments underneath any article about him.

That paper has a right wing audience. Why are you reading it?

MandingoAteMyBaby · 23/04/2026 20:50

Maybe post a screenshot of the kind of thing you’re talking about ?

Femalemachinest · 23/04/2026 20:52

Coffeeandbooks88 · 23/04/2026 20:43

That was because the police gave out their ethnicity when they didn't need to.

Oh no, before that information was released there were comments on facebook like "i bet its the usual suspects". Its a city where there was riots last year as some immigrants were housed in a hotel in the city centre. Since them i find theres a lot more similar comments made.
apparently its been guidelines for the police since towards end of last year as multiple people asked why.

IamRedCrossnotJesus · 23/04/2026 20:53

NotAnotherScarf · 23/04/2026 20:12

I've just got home from a party...my mates have organised. It happens every year in our middle class town... only us working class attend

Which town? Just being nosey!