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The impossible has happened - Trump has made me a Keir Starmer supporter!

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mumofoneAloneandwell · 03/03/2026 17:33

'This is not the age of churchill'

Thank God. Fucking orange twat.

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DuncinToffee · 05/03/2026 09:11

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that the country's forces "would not deliberately target a school".

That is not denying they may have hit the school.

PigletJohn · 05/03/2026 09:16

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/03/2026 08:52

I’m no fan of Israel it has plenty of blood on its hands but it’s not a Theocracy and it does not export the revolution, unlike Iran.

You said "kept exporting hatred and killing"

Not many countries say "we are entitled to invade this land and destroy its inhabitants because God said so"

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/03/2026 09:16

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2026 09:11

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that the country's forces "would not deliberately target a school".

That is not denying they may have hit the school.

And I never said they didn't hit the school.

I said there was no way on gods green earth they would target a school.

Although it all points towards a n Iranian misfire and then spinning it as an attack.

Note - 48 hours ago Iran released a video of their missiles hitting the Ford aircraft carrier.

It never happened. The video was AI. It was all for the internal audience. They lie, all the time. Iran IS targeting civilians. The USA and Israel are not.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/03/2026 09:16

PigletJohn · 05/03/2026 09:16

You said "kept exporting hatred and killing"

Not many countries say "we are entitled to invade this land and destroy its inhabitants because God said so"

And yet Iran does...

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2026 09:25

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/03/2026 09:16

And I never said they didn't hit the school.

I said there was no way on gods green earth they would target a school.

Although it all points towards a n Iranian misfire and then spinning it as an attack.

Note - 48 hours ago Iran released a video of their missiles hitting the Ford aircraft carrier.

It never happened. The video was AI. It was all for the internal audience. They lie, all the time. Iran IS targeting civilians. The USA and Israel are not.

Ofcourse Iran lies

I am just pointing out that bombing a country causes civilian deaths, in this case 168 people, mostly children.

And it is bad if Israel/US hit a school by accident.

persephonia · 05/03/2026 09:31

Gloriia · 05/03/2026 08:02

This. Utterly cringeworthy and useless display by wet wibbly Starmer.
You support your allies, we'd soon go running to the US if we needed them.

And they'd do nothing to help.

persephonia · 05/03/2026 09:41

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2026 09:25

Ofcourse Iran lies

I am just pointing out that bombing a country causes civilian deaths, in this case 168 people, mostly children.

And it is bad if Israel/US hit a school by accident.

Also, this is why in past wars it was more standard to hit targets in the early hours of the morning. So in the eventuality that, while hitting a military base you accidentally hit the school attached to it, no children are there. Sure the school gets destroyed and that's still bad. Even if it was caused by a defence misfire, which doesn't seem the most likely cause, the deaths would still have been avoided.**
But instead they went for a Saturday morning attack which is the equivalent of attacking a US/UK primary school at 9 o clock on a Monday morning. It may not have been "deliberate" but the level of carelessness is breathtaking.

**Likewise not bombing Iran at all

rainingsnoring · 05/03/2026 09:50

PigletJohn · 05/03/2026 08:47

It's usually considered impolite to speak of Israel like that,

😂It's considered anti semetic by many.

rainingsnoring · 05/03/2026 09:52

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/03/2026 08:51

they MIGHT have been hit and they CERTAINLY were not targeted.

entirely unlike the Iranian targeting which absolutely included civilian targets and infrastructure.

there is a clear and obvious difference.

Targetting say energy infrastructure during a war, where you have been attacked and are defending yourself, is very different to hitting a school. Clear and obvious difference, as you say.

rainingsnoring · 05/03/2026 09:58

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/03/2026 08:54

The plan is regime change by one of several methods.

  • someone from inside the regime takes control and offers acceptable terms to USA
  • a popular uprising takes control. Hard after Iran killed 30,000 of them
  • Kurdish rebels invade from the Iraqi border (expedited by US attacks on revolutionary guard infrastructure in western Iran).
  • last resort, limited ground forces.

I mean. This is in the news. All the time. This is the plan.

Don't be ridiculous.
This is not a plan. This is a lot of wishful thinking.
The US has been begging Iranians to rise up against the regime. That has not happened. There are 90+ million in the country, remember.
This has not happened so the US are searching around for other options-ask the Kurdish rebels to create trouble.
No one from within the regime is going to offer acceptable terms to the US! They would need to bring in their own candidate, one who would likely be extremely unpopular with the Iranians.
So no plan at all. Maybe stop just looking at the Western 'shock and awe' news.

I know that, according to you, the war is already over but, what is more likely, is that this will be a more prolonged conflict and the US will be put under pressure to send in ground troops.

rainingsnoring · 05/03/2026 09:59

So they haven't denied it then.

1dayatatime · 05/03/2026 10:07

PigletJohn · 05/03/2026 08:47

It's usually considered impolite to speak of Israel like that,

Now you if you could provide actual evidence and links of Israeli terrorist plots in the UK then I might consider it worth my while actually engaging you in an intellectual debate.

But given the preferred level of debate seems to be playground tit tat insults of " you smell- no you smell- no you smell " then I think I will save my time.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/03/2026 10:50

rainingsnoring · 05/03/2026 09:59

So they haven't denied it then.

I haven’t denied kicking a kitten either but it doesn’t mean I did. Grow up.

Gloriia · 05/03/2026 11:01

persephonia · 05/03/2026 09:31

And they'd do nothing to help.

Well probably not now no. They'd maybe sit on the fence and give wet starmer a taste of his own medicine.

PigletJohn · 05/03/2026 11:28

@1dayatatime "terrorist plots in the UK"

Since that was not the topic discussed, your response is irrelevant.

Gloriia · 05/03/2026 11:49

PigletJohn · 05/03/2026 11:28

@1dayatatime "terrorist plots in the UK"

Since that was not the topic discussed, your response is irrelevant.

They were responding to your lolz comment about Israel so do you mean your comment was irrelevant? Ask mnhq to delete they're very helpful when you make an error.

1dayatatime · 05/03/2026 13:02

PigletJohn · 05/03/2026 11:28

@1dayatatime "terrorist plots in the UK"

Since that was not the topic discussed, your response is irrelevant.

What do think terrorist plots in the UK by Iran are, if the are not Iran exporting hatred and killing ?

Some kind of cultural exchange?

SerendipityJane · 05/03/2026 13:33

1dayatatime · 05/03/2026 13:02

What do think terrorist plots in the UK by Iran are, if the are not Iran exporting hatred and killing ?

Some kind of cultural exchange?

What do think terrorist plots in the UK by Iran are

Do they involve weapons of mass destruction ?

Gloriia · 05/03/2026 13:52

SerendipityJane · 05/03/2026 13:33

What do think terrorist plots in the UK by Iran are

Do they involve weapons of mass destruction ?

Terrorist haven't got nukes yet. That's kinda the point of the whole thing.

Gloriia · 05/03/2026 14:16

God, Starmer making a speech now. He makes me cringe. His nasally voice, his silly hand waving trying to look statemanly but he always looks so very out of his depth. How on earth was he ever head of the CPS Confused.

SerendipityJane · 05/03/2026 14:19

Gloriia · 05/03/2026 13:52

Terrorist haven't got nukes yet. That's kinda the point of the whole thing.

You rather miss the point.

The UK was dragged into a needless war based on fairy stories of "Weapons of mass destruction". Stories we were promised - in the blood of our soldiers - were true.

Only turns out they were so many lies.

Fool me once etc etc.

DuncinToffee · 05/03/2026 14:26

Gloriia · 05/03/2026 14:16

God, Starmer making a speech now. He makes me cringe. His nasally voice, his silly hand waving trying to look statemanly but he always looks so very out of his depth. How on earth was he ever head of the CPS Confused.

You can always mute the sound or turn over to a different channel

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