The impossible has happened - Trump has made me a Keir Starmer supporter!

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'This is not the age of churchill'

Thank God. Fucking orange twat.

Although I would hope that I'm not perceived as an "idiotic Trump supporter" I can certainly see what this means for the global economy:

The US economy as a net oil and LNG exporter will benefit enormously. Yes there will be inflationary impacts but the US economy as a whole will be a net beneficiary.

China as a major importer of oil from Iran and major exporter of goods to Iran will suffer significantly.

Europe as an importer of Gulf oil and LNG will suffer (inflation) but not as much as China.

From a US perspective or "idiotic Trump supporter" as you put it, it looks like a win.

Not a win for the women in Iran then?

The irony is, the articles that people keep posting to show the Iran regime is bad come mostly from the Guardian, who have done loads of reporting on the extreme violence against protesters in Iran and the BBC who have also made it quite a central news story. You can't use a left wing newspapers articles to ask why more people on the left aren't talking about something. Or use BBC articles to say "why is mainstream media not talking about this". They are. Hence the articles.

From a US perspective or "idiotic Trump supporter" as you put it, it looks like a win.

Especially when life is cheap.

Lets not forget that Russia benefits too. India given a 30 day waiver by US to allow Indian refiners to purchase Russian oil.

NYT is reporting that the strike on the school was the result of a targeting mistake by the US military planners.

According to the report, the inquiry – which has yet to be completed – has found that officers at US Central Command created the target coordinates for the strike using obsolete data provided by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Buttle/Tuttle

The question from @Alexandra2001was about the global economy.

The question from @Alexandra2001was about the impact on the global economy.

Secondly I am not too concerned about the deaths of senior figures in the Islamic Regime that a few months ago had killed 30,000 protesters. Although I was concerned about the lack of criticism or protests about this in the West.

Now just to preempt you on the "what about the school children ". Yes that is terrible and regretful but the difference is that the US did not deliberately target school children whereas Iran through their state sponsored terrorism both in the Middle East and in attempts on the UK have indiscriminately attacked civilians. So I would save your concerns and condemnation for the Iranian regime not the US.

I am concerned about the Iranian people, I also condemn both the Iranian regime and the USA

Yes, v disturbing indeed!

Thanks for demonstrating the point that @PandoraSocks made very clearly above.
Just to clarify for you, the school girls were in a school and they were murdered by a US missile in a war that you appear to be fully behind.
It's shocking that you are trying to twist the facts to suit your agenda. Don't try to pretend that you care about some brown people in Iran.

What balance? I've seen no balance in your posts.
In any case, have they toppled the Iranian regime or have they just murdered many thousands of people, destroyed their homes, tortured them by bombing a desalination plant, allowed ships to sink deliberately, etc?
Have they acheived your objectives so far?

You clearly aren't an economist!
Many of DJT's previous supporters are disgusted by this war and by his actions. The mid terms will be interesting. I wonder if Trump will try to pretend that they have won this war, when they clearly haven't (well, I guess Hegseth has because he has got his 'death and destruction, all day long) and terminate it. I hope he does this rather than the situation getting much, much worse.

I'm very happy to accept your superior economic insights if you would care to share and evidence them.

'Have they acheived your objectives so far?'

My objectives? Since when has any of this been my idea, instigation or operation?

Incidentally the Regime has already murdered 10,000s of their own people without any help from outsiders.

Any better ideas about how to remove a despotic regime would be welcome, answers on a postcard please. 🤔

Any better ideas about how to remove a despotic regime would be welcome, answers on a postcard please. 🤔

What can anyone do to help the women in Iran in your opinion?

There’s a pattern.
Trump invades/attacks.
First posters celebrate happiness for women of invaded country.
Next group of posters question his motives and likely outcomes.
First posters suggest second group don’t support freedom of women.
When second group continues to raise objections a purity test is introduced - were you bothered about the women in January/September etc.

When it becomes evident that Trump’s aims are not to bring democracy the question becomes ‘Well, what would you do for the women?’

No acknowledgement that Trump’s actions were never about democracy/peace/women.
Always suggesting the problem is not the invasion, it’s the cynical MNer. Trump is only doing what he can.

see also Venezuela.

Perfectly summed up. Only 10 days ago posters were all gung-ho about Iranian women throwing off their hijabs. And " how dare you not support Iranian women?".
Now it is: oh well never about the women anyway.

When Trump invades Cuba next year, as he has announced, please don't insult my intelligence by claiming he is saving women.

You seem to support it fully though. So, have your objectives been acheived? I'm going to assume the answer is no. Unless mass murder and destruction is the reason for your support of this US/Israeli war.

It's gaslighting, pure and simply.
Some humans are simply deeply flawed.

Oh just give it a rest will you?

I've already said the objectives of the war are nothing to do with me.

Assume what you like, seeing as you haven't bothered to read my previous answer.

And still no-one has answered my previous question "What can anyone do to help the women in Iran?"
So how about you put your 6-pennyworth into that question?

Why can't you give your thoughts as to how to help the women in Iran.
Clearly, this war is doing the very opposite.
Those advocating restraint and trying to bring an end to it are on the right side here.

I didn't have you in mind.

On the USA, they still import oil for diesel and petrol, around 8m barrels per day, hence why Trump is now worried, he promised lower prices, not higher ones but ending this all, is no longer in his gift.
Iran shows no sign of slowing down its attacks on ships and oil depots.

One country that will benefit is Russia, with a big impact on Ukraine, as Russia makes more money for its war & Ukraine gets less munitions.

China? yes it will affect their economy and they'll buy even more from Russia.

Hell, Putin has even offered to sell oil/gas to Europe again, something which might happen if the Iranians want to continue attacks on shipping.

Iran now wants recognition of their state, reparations... 2 things Trump will be unable to do, Iran says Oil will reach $200 pb.... very plausible, we are heading for Global recession at this rate.