Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

Going back to the original question : who on earth would be on the two sides of this civil war? Immigrants vs those with Saxon bloodlines? Or maybe Norman bloodlines?
or white people vs everyone else? Humanitarians vs racists? Left vs right, with those in the middle hiding in bunkers?

@Nasrine it’s easy. They aren’t racist. It’s just multicultural area = food with flavour.

Can’t desecrate the great tradition of chicken nuggets n chips with things like seasoning.

They want their white kids to eat white food in peace and not have this woke agenda of spice and taste forced on them.

I did actually hear someone refer to chicken nuggets as propah British food once. Of all the things to hate about immigration, food that actually tastes like something other than salt shouldn’t be one.

Nobody ever mentions that the most common name for baby girls is Olivia.

By 2099 our children will be a minority of non Olivia's in their nursing homes, no longer feeling part of the community.

Don't get me wrong, I live next door to an Olivia and she's a wonderful hardworking and respectful woman. It's the other Olivias I'm talking about. The ones who don't integrate, who change the fabric of things in a way I didn't vote for.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

My point is that out of over 10 million foreign nationals, only 377 commit these offences each year.

That is a vanishingly low percentage of the foreign national population.

But it doesn't sound so dramatic presented that way, does it?

Can Mumsnet @admin get to grips with these xenophobic threads popping up everynight? Same old, same old stirring rooted in half truths and scaremongering.

My ancestors were penniless peasants in the welsh hills, just trying to quietly scratch a living off the land and maybe live until their mid 40s if they were lucky. Don't try and tell me they were colonisers. It is a despicable thing to accuse the ordinary, honest Britons of the past of. You are a brainwashed bleater.

The 4 mosques, the 4 migrant hostels, the no white kids at school. I prefer more diversity. I’d wager it’s is a high social housing, high crime area where nobody wants to live unless they have to (including you) just like every other area like that.
Streatham hill was not nice when I lived there, I was an early gentrifier, I also lived in Streatham common towards the Lido. Also a hole,

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2 in 5 people arrested for violent behaviour at last summer's riots had been previously reported to the police for domestic violence.

But that's the right sort of domestic violence, had too many beers/she asked for it/football team lost the match type, home grown and not imported, Christian country type of domestic violence ?

Another despicable comment. Britain has an incredibly rich culinary history. Why do you hate the nation you are a part of?

And you are a mug

Given this is a thinly veiled recruitment drive for Deform and Garbage as PM, can we also have a recruitment drive for the immigrants of mumsnet civil war team?

I have hefty legs, pass as English and am good at crosswords so should be able infiltrate the enemy lines for information, write coded messages and deliver them via rugby and footballs booted back into ‘enemy territory’ under the guise of playing good English sports.

Oh this is getting silly now.

No, because I don't care what colour someone is. I'm not racist.

Yes all children of all nationalities in school in Dubai are taught Arabic, right from nursery upwards.

@nasrine, as I set out in my reply to the other poster, this is what I was trying to demonstrate:

Out of over 10 million foreign nationals, only 377 commit sexual offences each year.

That is a vanishingly low percentage of the foreign national population.

I hope that makes my intentions clear!

This is a claim bandied about and it's been explained many times. In fact it was explained a few years back by Radio 4's More or Less programme which delves into statistical claims.

Muslims choose their first born boys names from a very short list, and most settle on Mohammed; the rest of the population choose from all the variations e.g. traditional British, modern names, African, Irish, Celtic, European, Chinese, celebrity names, and so on. So Mohammeds actually make up a small percentage of overall numbers of babies born, but the name is popular in the Moslem community.

Yes, this please.

🤣 are you feeling a bit threatened babe?

Ah well, ONLY 377 people raped or assaulted, bloody hell! You can try to make it sound acceptable but it's not, is it. I'm in no way against immigration but anyone committing crimes should be immediately sent back.

And “no English” probably means they don’t speak English yet.

Wow the right wing are doing a number on people. And in some cases it seems to be working.

Hopefully I will be long gone (rip me) when the racist sh*t hits the fan.

@AWitchCalledMeg must be my wickedness, avarice and greed I guess. I am here as an invading force hellbent on destroying the indigenous population one chicken nugget at a time, after all.

YABVU - shit-stirring, like the Daily Mail and the Sun. They certainly talk about it - I don't know why you say we can't do so. And as for the faux naïve 'I just wish everyone would get on' what evidence do you have that people aren't getting on??

You sound like someone that Prevent should be watching.

@Over40Overdating well I think we need your culinary credentials first ? An army marches on its stomach and all that ?

What scran are you bringing to the cause ?