Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

Prof David Betz is a Professor of War in the Modern World and is considered an expert on civil unrest. He teaches at Kings College London . He has some very sobering, intellectual and measured thoughts on this topic that can be found on you tube.

That entirely depends on your definition of measured. He is a known right-winger with a clear agenda. And that is fine - he is not shy in being clear, he makes an argument (whether you agree with it or not) - but impartial or measured he really isn't.

Have you actually watched him? I cannot see how you can possibly say he is not ‘measured’ in his speech?
He does not seem right wing at all to me. He seems like an intellectual who is taking an anthropological, economic - ie scientific approach to the subject in a very measured way.
What exactly is it that you find wrong with his assessment?

Yes I have - and I have also seen others with different views. I am disinterested in entering into a debate in an echo chamber, but anyone who unquestioningly accepts the ethnic replacement theory, which he does, has pinned their colours to the mast. Being "measured" in ones speech does not imply "correct". He is an academic and used to using words as weapons. Don't just watch the videos (if anyone is inclined to) - read the comments from his followers below and you will see where his popularity lies.

He compares himself to an astronomer who sees a meteorite heading to earth. Because he sees it does not mean he wants to actualise it. In fact if you watch him you can see how uncomfortable he is with what he is saying.
He just reports on what he sees as an expert. Because he has made a certain scientific assessment does not mean he wants a certain course of action to happen. It seems that those who foresee this civil unrest are now called ‘right wing’ by those who wish to deny some quite compelling arguments.

@PigletBland We disagree.

Viktor Orban thinks he's great. I really don't need to know more than that.

And of course other experts in the field are available - there is no consensus.

Absolutely. Orban's views are vile.

I'm watching a video from this evening.

An antifa march has now joined the SUTR counter protest at the Britannia Hotel in Canary Wharf. They were escorted down the road by the police, unlike the women and children’s march here on Sunday

They are shouting off our streets fascist scum.

They mean parents. They mean the English.

I imagine many of you here would agree that English parents are fascist scum.

It's unquestionable that we've got a serious problem with left-wing extremists in the UK calling ordinary people fascist scum.

Any chance of a link, please?

All I know is heatwaves bring all sorts so I would not be suprised if things kick off this week.

I hope not but history tells us it's a possibility.

It’s a possibility.

Imo, it depends on whether Reform’s, let’s say, 35pc national vote at the next election translates into hundreds of seats or whether it’s distributed such that they get eg 10 seats.

If the latter, those 35pc (and I’m not necessarily one of them) will feel disenfranchised. It would be much better for everyone for them to feel represented.

Thanks. Will look into this suggestion.

sorry - I meant this as a reply to a poster mentioning an academic specialist in the field.

@Charybdisorscylla have you got anything that isn't X? It's a bit of a sewer and I don't want to dip in - I deleted my account a year ago.

Nah - no 'civil war' here mate, a bit of civil unrest maybe, but not war (nb: poll tax riots - a truly British unrest).

I'm not party to any far-right or racist propaganda as my forays into SM are few and far between but I'm sure it exists.

I had little idea of how far-reaching some of the effects of the multi-culturalism project had gone until about 3 years ago when a Birmingham-Bangladeshi client of mine described Handsworth as being "too white". Handsworth?!! Given its race riot history I could only wonder what the demographic of his neighbourhood was.