Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

If you are expecting a civil war, who do you think will be fighting? Labour voters v Reform? Leavers v Remainers?
I think the people pulling the strings just want to make money, I don't think they will be leading a call to arms.

Yeah, I feel really alienated at the moment by the sheer number of racists and xenophobes on every corner. It's sickening.

I won't be fighting anyone, though. I'm much more likely to just leave them to rot in their own cesspit. We are amongst the lucky ones who have the option of going elsewhere.

Oh bore off.

Signs say ‘no English’ …… in English ???

go and start a riot and see how it goes. Good luck (you will need this)!

Just admit you don't like foreign folk because you think you're better than them.

Most definitely...then the army will stage a coup to retore public order and put Princess Anne at the head of the military government because Charles and William aren't up to it.

I have to admit I've never quite followed this line of argument... if you think British people in other countries should speak the local language and integrate into their host culture then surely you should expect the same of immigrants to the UK? Or, if you accept that some immigrants here prefer to live among other people from their home countries and speak their own language, shouldn't you be happy for British people abroad to do the same?

Yes! I always say this! They call themselves ex-pats because immigrants is a dirty word, they don’t want to be seen as immigrants!

Why do you think the great unwashed refers to foreign people? Is it just because the majority of people there were foreign? In my opinion the great unwashed is normally just a kind of joking term for the public.

@exhaustedandwholly Are you the same poster who listed about civil unrest yesterday? Are you trying to start a revolution?

On answer to your question, then I don’t think there will be.

Is it really that big an issue if somebody does not learn the local language AS LONG AS this does not cause a detriment to those around them / they don’t insist on people having to cater to them?

Also is there an assumption being made that if hear people speaking a different language, then they cannot speak English?

(I do think capacity in English and / or Welsh should be a requirement for citizenship though.)

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking.

I am so glad that your Muslim neighbours are respectful. What are your non-Muslim neighbours like? Why didn't you think to mention that?

And that is why people suggest that posts like yours are goady racist posts. You expect your Muslim neighbours to be respectful, but it isn't even a discussion point when it comes to your other neighbours. Nobody ever posts about their white neighbours being respectful.

And there are ex-pat British communities all over the world who don't speak the local language. I do hope they are also respectful neighbours.

Oh, and most of the white Brits (of which there are many) in Saudi Arabia live in their own communities, speak English and don't mix much!

We need a full on uprising and revolution. But it won’t happen. Yeah, there’s some thugs who will have a scrap over anything, but they are so tamed by booze and their small little lives, they soon get bored.

The people who could make a real difference are too scared to say boo to a goose, still believe he government love them and the NHS want to save them, still believe they have a voice and aren’t just worker bees, and are too busy kicking down to kick up.

We will just continue to sleep walk into a horrific future.

Same. If a civil war did break out I would put my second passport into use and be off.

I didn't feel it too much tho I do feel the rise of reform very much

However I went to an out London Town recently for a night out. I'm 54 so no spring chicken. The place had totally changed.

I caught a middle aged man taking photos of us in a bar.

I also felt really unsafe walking in the high street. Groups of men around staring etc.

It never used to be like that.

I'm not going to name the men's backgrounds but they were all from the same region and hanging by around in groups of men only.

I can avoid this area quite easily and get my dh to meet me if I ever need to go again but I really made me think about those that live in such areas and can't move or avoid.

As a women I felt VERY vulnerable.

Its the hypocrisy. Expecting that immigrants to the UK should learn English, but not expect English people abroad to do the equivalent. Particularly the large subset of people that now live in the Costa del Sol that left England "because of all the foreigners there now".

I think people should make the effort to learn the language of their host country, but from my experience of living overseas, most British people don't bother. It is therefore hypocritical for the Brits to demand that immigrants to the UK should learn English. Though personally, I think they absolutely should, and there should be more support available to facilitate them doing so.

I make sure to refer to them as immigrants!

I used to get into barneys with fellow British immigrants in Oz who thought it was offensive to call them immigrants.

That should have said a town on the outskirts or London.

Yes, in answer to your question.

I know it won't make any difference to this thread (facts tend not to), but a civil was isn't what the OP is imagining. Civil unrest, yes. But unless the OP knows of an armed group that is engaging with the lawful authorities in this country with the aim of taking control of the state, a civil war isn't going to happen.

The closest the UK has been to civil war would be in Northern Ireland, where there was an armed struggle against the lawful government of the UK.

Will there be civil unrest ? Well, it's not unknown (as I remember growing up not far from Southall in the 70s).

I don't understand how there could possibly be a civil war? Who are the two sides that will be fighting each other? It's just a stupid thing to say tbh.

More likely there would be civil unrest which will bring the anarchists and unemployed thugs out. They'll smash some stuff up and burn some cars in a completely pointless show of mindless violence.

Riots do sometimes break out in summer, that is true. A bit of shit weather and they tend to disappear.
Maybe we should be more like the French who kick off over anything ??