Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

Maybe YOU have a problem with maths. That's only 16.8 % of the population

This is because it is given as a name to many Muslim boys, for cultural reason .. but often not used, it’s symbolic.

So whilst the non-Muslim population take their pick of thousands of names, many Muslims just pick the one.

The logic seems to be that if X or Y nationality is 40% more likely to commit a rare crime (which might well be true), we should exclude everyone of that nationality purely on that basis.

This is in turn partly because a huge part of the population hears "X nationality is 40% more likely to commit rape" as "X nationality commits 40% of rapes" or "40% of people of nationality X are rapists". (The same problem exists in health communication. Hearing "Eating an extra bacon sandwich per day makes you 20% more likely to get bowel cancer" leads a huge number of people to think that eating any bacon whatsoever will give them a 205 chance of dying of it in the next year.)

Innumeracy is a huge part of the ignorance that makes it so easy for misinformation (and the hatred that goes along with it) to spread. When I am Education Tsar™ the entire Year 8 maths curriculum will be replaced with a year dedicated to nothing but understanding the calculation and meaning of base rates. If the whole population had the same grasp of this one concept as they do of the alphabet or tying their shoelaces, daily life would become easier in so many ways.

@AWitchCalledMeg
"If she had to choose between walking down a dark alley at night past a group of male reform voters or past a group of male refugees.. I think we all know which group she would take her chances with."

2 in 5 people arrested for violent behaviour at last summer's riots had been previously reported to the police for domestic violence.

This, get outside in the real world, and look around you at reality, and stop obsessing about the made of world on social media

Would you change your view on mass immigration if it was true that Britain would be a white British minority country by 2050?

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So? I don’t know London so that’s not very helpful to me. I think you’re struggling to answer the question and I’m wondering why that might be. Do you not have the courage of your convictions to say? Were you trying to be edgy and the joke didn’t land?

I'm more scared about a World War than a civil war. I do think people should at least attempt to integrate into any country they choose to live in and that includes Ex Pats.

Post of the day!! LOL

Would you care to provide a sourced link, please?

The shocking name statistic is that Yahya jumped up the most places. Sickening. Luckily my family has our UK exit strategy sorted.

This.

What a ridiculous thread. The people sowing trouble are right wing politicians and media, they want chaos as they can take advantage of that to gain power. They're manipulating the uneducated and ignorant of this country and looks like they're doing great job from comments on this thread

@MovingBird123

"But this country needs some drastic leadership to unite the fractures in our society, and part of that involves quashing ideologies antithetical to our Western liberal democracy."

What, like belief in freedom of worship?

Why ? Grow up, or maybe just don’t post if you can’t actually make a comment with some meaning.

Where are you getting the source for your information please

pop by 2050 will increase by c 10m people.

given that we are at currently around 80% white British with a pop of 65m this doesn’t seem mathematically possible

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-population-set-to-grow-by-five-million-within-10-years-with-net-migration-levels-highest-in-europe-for-the-first-time-13298458

Mate, read my post again.

What percentage of foreign nationals are convicted of sex offences each year?

We won't be a white minority country though, that's bollocks, made up to scare people.

Mate, read my post again.

What percentage of foreign nationals are convicted of sex offences each year?

LOL. Your description of where you live sounds terrible. I lived somewhere similar called Streatham hill and it was a really really bad place minus the 4 illegal migrant hotels. Were you under the impression you live in a desirable place?
No it’s not a joke, nobody wants to live where you live if they can help it.

@MovingBird123

"Luckily my family has our UK exit strategy sorted."

So do you have sympathy for asylum seekers in this country, large numbers of whom have fled from Afghanistan and Iran which are both fundamentalist Islamic theocracies?

What percentage of foreign nationals are convicted of sex offences each year?

That is my point. LOL.

The town I used to live is unrecognisable, that has nothing to do with the media I have seen it first hand. Why let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to call someone racist!

Civil war, no. A far right govt? Possibly. Putin or China deciding to invade somewhere causing a world war is far more likely than civil. In terms of division in the country I think the wealth gap may be what would drive serious unrest in the future.