That women should not have to share changing rooms with men

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13459927/NHS-chiefs-legal-action-female-nurses-changing-room-transgender.html

This is absolutely horrific and probably the first of many cases we will see now. Please read the article in full but this alone is appalling. The response by their HR should be noted because that is what is going to happen to every woman who complains about this if we keep allowing these fraudulent men to get away with what they want.

One of the nurses told The Mail on Sunday: 'We don't feel safe because we strip down to our underwear and [the individual] doesn't just stay by his locker. 'He walks around the changing room in his boxer shorts.'
Another nurse said she was 'close to tears' during one incident in the changing room.
She said: 'I was rummaging in my bag trying to find my lanyard and keys for the locker when a man's voice behind me said, 'Are you not getting changed yet?' 'I found my keys and opened my locker and I was asked again, 'Are you not getting changed yet?'.'
The woman, who was sexually abused as a child, has posttraumatic stress disorder and struggles to be alone around men. She said: 'He stood there, two metres away from me, with a scrub top on and with tight black boxer shorts with holes in them and asked a third time whether I was getting changed yet.
'Flight or fight mode kicked in but I felt glued to my seat, I could not move. 'My hands started to sweat. I was petrified and felt sick and began hyperventilating.'
In March, 26 nurses wrote to management saying that the transgender nurse 'has made no secret' of the fact that 'he has stopped taking female hormones and is trying to inseminate his female partner'.
AIBU to suggest NOW is the time to wake up, en masse and stop allowing BE KIND to be a mantra that allows predatory men access to women at their most vulnerable.

You've been asked this before, but on what grounds?

Given that they aren't women

It’s all just nonsense

you can’t change your sex.

no man can become a women and no women can become a man

it’s really that simple

Not to mention that 'aligning bodies with minds' is at least as much nonsense as 'born in the wrong body'

What makes a mind male or female?

So Sarah Jane Baker, as noted up thread, an attempted murderer and sex offender, is a woman to you then? He claims to have removed his own testicles whilst in prison to force authorities to let him have the surgery. He's 'undergone a profound medical ordeal to align (his) bodies with (his) mind/soul'?

Also, so it is a religious belief then? A gendered soul? We don't generally make UK law and policy around niche religions.

Exactly

We'd have said that not long ago about about heart transplants or mRNA vaccines. Might not happen in our lifetime but it may well in our grandchildren's.

We do manage risk as best we can but you and I use analogies differently. To me, you are saying we should never drive because a few thousands are killed in car crashes every year.

No, I don’t agree with this person I have never heard of. National nursing policy for how many patients per year, at least a million, should not be made on the basis of 8 incidents involving men (and 5 involving women). Of unknown levels of gravity

I do think transplants have always been possible it was always the problem of the immune system rejecting the foreign body. And it’s mostly been successful

but as a whole new body

i am in for somebody slightly taller and more sporty 🤣

PS Over 15M admissions to NHS hospitals last year according to statista.com, @nothingcomestonothing . So with 13 incidents expected the risk is less than one in a million

Still can’t change your sex though

On the grounds that I respect them and grant them the autonomy each of us wants.

What even if you were given a perfect man's body?

So if someone wanted to be royal, or African American (for example) - would you grant them that autonomy too? And they went to great lengths to align themselves with 'what they feel inside'?

What is a perfect man’s body. Who knows.

what if I got an imperfect man’s body ?

I would be stuck in that

Don’t put words in my mouth

That would be a shame. But would you still consider yourself a woman?

It’s all like sci fi. This whole stuff where men suddenly think they are women

total nonsense

and people buy into it.

and children are sterilised for it

nonsense stuff

I'm sure that will be a massive consolation to the women sexually assaulted in hospital.

Tell me how many women is it ok to throw under the bus?

What numbers work for you?

• on NHS wards?
• in mixed sex toilets (or single sex where men are allowed to use them without challenge)?
• in prisons?

And how many women accessing services like rape counselling shall we prevent from getting support because male staff expect them to "reframe their trauma"?

If I was born a man I would always be one

if I was born a woman I would always be one

imperfect or not.

Are you aware of how many sex offences are ever reported, let alone make it to court, versus how many occur? This chart is solely rapes for instance:

Getting silly, are we?

Why's that more silly than 'granting autonomy' to a man who wants to be a woman?

How did I put words in your mouth? You said you consider all males who have had genital surgery as women. Sarah Jane Baker has had that surgery, so to you Sarah Jane Baker is a woman surely? If that's the criteria, SJB meets it.

In other words, your gender identity is not linked to your body.

Why doesn’t SJB meet your criteria @poetryandwine ?