Male born person wins women’s golf tournament and is now “worried about his safety” - interviewed by GMB (Title edited by MNHQ)

[HermioneKipper]

Why the hell are GMB gaslighting women with this stuff?

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1749329378352275568

This is an enormous male-bodied person - even larger than the interviewing man!

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I think the confusion here, @Brefugee , is that no one called a terf is one. At least, vanishingly few.

Pretty much all gender critical people are called terfs, and pretty much all gender critical women have no issue with transmen.

We’re used to hearing ourselves described as terfs because it’s the insult of choice for anyone who has said ‘no’ about something trans people want.

@Flickersy GMB should be the little boy shouting that the emperor is actually naked.

You mean when the LPGA caved in the face of being sued by a litigious male?

The same litigious male that had already sued sponsors and the Long Drivers of America?

This golfer couldn't be more male, in any way. This is happening in all sports and it threatens women's sports in all levels, from grass roots to world competitions.

Sad mediocre men should stay out of womens sports and spaces.

All this gender ideology has thought me is that women are still seen as lesser and that we had an illusion of rights and safeguarding but it was all a lie.

Because if were seen as valuable as men this would have never happened in the first place.

I am angry and confused why so many women aren't (yet)

Exactly.

As to why I would hazard a guess at ingrained female socialisation to put men's wants above their own needs. To lesser extent I think some women enjoy being very pious and using that as a cudgel against other women.

Just my thoughts based on observations of women who are either blasé/be kind types or those who are vocal in their support for trans activism despite mounting evidence of harm to many women.

When women go against their collective best interests it's usually because individually they are getting something out of doing so.

None of us are immune to this because of the society we live in but it's a useful exercise to frequently question why we do things that benefit men when it would be better for us not to.

Did you read my post, or are you just utterly determined not to be associated with anything TERFy?

Saying trans men (biological women) totally belong in female spaces and trans women (biological men) should stay out of them IS the so-called TERF position.

do you honestly believe that these men taking part and winning women’s sporting events are genuinely Trans, because I don’t.

100% this. It strikes me that there is a unifying factor that has nothing to do with being trans and being your authentic self, but has a lot to do with being a mediocre, or ageing, or injured male sportsman who can’t stomach the thought of losing to better, younger, fitter men , so deliberately finds a niche for themself where for a few more years at least they can congratulate themselves on their ability to beat others.

I do wonder what will happen when they are so old, and decrepit that even beating women is beyond them. Surely someone will say something when in a few years time doddery old transwomen are entering egg and spoon races for eight year olds.

Are you so determined not to read my actual flippin' posts.

For absolutely the last time: i can't be a literal actual TERF because i don't exclude TRANS men from women's spaces (sports with caveats about T)

I LITERALLY don't care if people call me TERF because i don't have an attack of the vapours everytime an internet random uses "hurty words".

Straggly Bref is commenting on the incongruence of the term ‘terf’ because as with most feminists, we don’t exclude those females who reject the label of women. Who call themselves transmen.

Bref is pointing out that because we include all female people, even those who have trans identities, the term TERF is a misnomer. Feminists exclude male people. MERF (tongue in cheek) is sometimes used. Male exclusionary radical feminist.

https://www.megynkelly.com/2024/01/22/the-latest-on-the-50-year-old-canadian-trans-swimmer-competing-against-young-girls/

Then they do indeed start competing against children. In this case very young girls. (This is the same one that was reported in last year, but he's done it again)

thanks, @Helleofabore - i was worried I'd suddenly started posting in Klingon.

The Canadian swimmer thing is just outrageous. And the other parents are now banned from the changing rooms. Frankly? i wonder at ANY of them letting their children swim under those conditions. And yes, i hold them responsible. Because any normal parent would have said "NO" and that would have been it. No more swimmers for that team. Except the big one pretending to be a 13 year old girl

Yes I read that the parents didn’t know he was competing when they dropped their daughters off.

There was then armed police stopping them from entering the changing rooms to take their girls back out.

We have entered the twilight zone. The police actually protecting these paedos with fetishes over young girls

I want to say Thankyou for highlighting this @Boiledbeetle ,but first I need to go and lie down in a darkened room because what I have read about the Canadian swimmer ( who it turns out is also a University professor) has addled my brain.

but why are they still sending their kids to the swim meets? I get that they have been training (kids) and ferrying around (parents) to training etc since they were very small.

Do they honestly think it is worth having a man in their changing rooms? or are the girls changing somewhere else (locking themselves in the toilets?) What is actually going on there?

We were at cross purposes. I was talking about 'be kind' not men playing in women's sport.

And the message that is being given to those girls is clear “The pool managers, your coaches, and the swimming association officials don’t care about your rights or your privacy, and nor it seems, do your parents and the police”

How are they ever going to understand that they have autonomy over their own body when the very people who should be upholding and enforcing those rights are saying clearly that a perverts finer feelings trump your feelings, your safety and your mental and physical wellbeing.

@Overcooker his claims are nonsense. Hormones and surgery have made him slightly different but don't make him a woman, it's his male structure that gives him the advantage.
There was a category designed recently for trans but nobody entered because histrionic personality disorder sufferers don't care who they hurt.

do you honestly believe that these men taking part and winning women’s sporting events are genuinely Trans

I'd like to know what people think 'genuinely trans' actually means

It's one hill I am prepared to die on. Every sport is/was divided into male (born), and female (born) categories to ensure fairness. This was based upon the biological reality that men are taller, stronger, have bigger longer limbs, bigger hearts and lungs, can run faster and longer, and if only one category was present, only men would win, ever. So what would be the point if women entering sport if they had no chance of winning, ever. In golf, in particular, women's clubs are shorter, the tees shorter, their handicaps greater.

This biological reality has not changed.

Why do disability sports spend so much time putting competitors into different categories. To level the playing field. To make it fair. Imagine the uproar if someone pretended to have a disability that the did not in order to game the system.

Nobody entered because they weren't competing with an advantage against women.

Yes. Men wearing the wrong football top can be in danger in men's toilets. Perhaps they should use the ladies too?

Imagine the uproar if someone pretended to have a disability that the did not in order to game the system.

Trans-abled is 'a thing', so its only matter of time before we see this.

Men wearing the wrong football top can be in danger in men's toilets. Perhaps they should use the ladies too?

Disabled men, gay men, socially awkward men, different races/religions. Lots of men could make this argument.

Christ! 😡