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To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

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dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway · 16/05/2023 09:37

This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

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TheHandmaiden · 16/05/2023 20:53

Yea, Margaret Thatcher was for less education for women.

Except that's what Nat Con are for. Whose girls should get less education?

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 20:54

ToWhitToWhoo · 16/05/2023 20:51

Nobody is saying that men can GROW a cervix. This is saying that some people (transmen, not transwomen) who identify as men may have a cervix, and be thus at risk of cervical cancer. One could debate whether they are really men; one cannot debate their need for cervical screening.

But I think that a man could grow a cervix, or a pig grow wings, or a dog start meowing, more readily than an attendee at that conference could grow a brain and a heart!

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1443125834626260993?s=19

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1443125834626260993?s=19

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:55

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 20:51

You clearly aren't aware of what David Lammy actually said.

Quite, he didn't say Grow.

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 20:56

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:52

You'd probably best ask Cates what changes to woman's rights she wants in order to ensure fewer go to university so that they can have more babies to protect western countries.

Quite why if the UKs population needs to grow we don't accept more immigrants rather than eroding woman's rights I don't know.

Most strange, what could the NatCs be thinking?

Are you concerned by Cates' views and their impact they will have on woman's rights?

So you think I should ask Miriam Cates what new laws she is planning to bring in to restrict women's right to higher education if the Tories win in 2029, rather than worrying about Labour implementing their stated anti-woman policies when they win in 2024?

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 16/05/2023 20:56

englishsparklingwine · 16/05/2023 14:45

You do get this is a totally different organisation (and mostly American based) than the Conservative Party right?

Are you suggesting that the OP was attempting to portray something from the USA as being from the U.K.

cakeorwine · 16/05/2023 20:57

TheHandmaiden · 16/05/2023 20:53

Yea, Margaret Thatcher was for less education for women.

Except that's what Nat Con are for. Whose girls should get less education?

I think Hungary was being praised

Have four or more babies in Hungary and you'll pay no income tax for life (cnbc.com)

Encourage women to have children, reduce the availabiility of paid childcare, ensure that families stick together as "traditional " families are best so they should be encouraged.

Maybe they should give women medals for having children.

Building the 'Master Race': Nazi Women Were Awarded Medals To Bear Children (historynet.com)

Have four or more babies in Hungary and you'll pay no income tax for life, prime minister says

Hungarian women that have four or more children are to be exempted from paying income tax for life, the prime minister has said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/have-four-or-more-babies-in-hungary-and-youll-pay-no-income-tax-for-life.html#:~:text=Have%20four%20or%20more%20babies%20in%20Hungary%20and,fallen%20out%20with%20the%20EU%20over%20migrant%20quotas.

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 20:57

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:55

Quite, he didn't say Grow.

FFS this is weak even by your standards.

There are no hormones and no surgical procedures that can give a male born person a cervix and only a complete fucking idiot would say something like that at all, let alone on the radio.

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:58

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 20:56

So you think I should ask Miriam Cates what new laws she is planning to bring in to restrict women's right to higher education if the Tories win in 2029, rather than worrying about Labour implementing their stated anti-woman policies when they win in 2024?

If you are concerned as previous poster was about people who hate women then I am certain that you will do ask Mariam Cates exactly that.

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:59

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 16/05/2023 20:56

Are you suggesting that the OP was attempting to portray something from the USA as being from the U.K.

Where is Suella Braverman Home Secretary for?

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 21:01

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 20:57

FFS this is weak even by your standards.

There are no hormones and no surgical procedures that can give a male born person a cervix and only a complete fucking idiot would say something like that at all, let alone on the radio.

I am glad we are in agreement that Lammy didn't say woman could grow a cervix. Perhaps people will stop saying that he did at some point soon.

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/05/2023 21:01

Sausagenbacon · 16/05/2023 20:01

'Do you believe a single word that comes out of the lying Tories, lying mouths?
Doesn't matter. I know for a fact what's in the Labour manifesto.

How? Have they published it yet?

SunnyEgg · 16/05/2023 21:02

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 20:57

FFS this is weak even by your standards.

There are no hormones and no surgical procedures that can give a male born person a cervix and only a complete fucking idiot would say something like that at all, let alone on the radio.

I have no idea what pp is going on about.

I agree with you.

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 21:02

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:58

If you are concerned as previous poster was about people who hate women then I am certain that you will do ask Mariam Cates exactly that.

I'll do that right after you tell me which party I can vote for which doesn't hate women.

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 21:02

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/05/2023 21:01

How? Have they published it yet?

Its important not to let facts get in the way of your rant.
I believe it is one of the key prinicpals of the NatCs.

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 21:03

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 21:01

I am glad we are in agreement that Lammy didn't say woman could grow a cervix. Perhaps people will stop saying that he did at some point soon.

No, he didn't say a woman could grow a cervix.

He seemed pretty sure a man could, though.

Jonei · 16/05/2023 21:03

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:43

You are free to believe whatever you like. Some people believe all manner of things. For instance this thread is discussing the wierd beliefs expoused by government ministers and others at the NatCism event, for instance that the problem in western countries is that too many woman go to university.

Personally I would rather base my views on facts.

Fact: David lammy thinks men can grow a cervix.

You don't think he's stupid.

Thus if you don't think he's stupid you must also believe that men can grow a cervix.

SunnyEgg · 16/05/2023 21:04

Facts…

Hmm the Labour lot love those - like women talking about biological reality

They don’t don’t shut it down, insult and silence women over facts.

sonearly · 16/05/2023 21:04

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/05/2023 18:43

This trans shitshow happened under the Tory government. The destruction of women's rights happened under their eye.

And this is the ongoing problem with believing in the pantomime of "Labour vs Tory".

The Tories just make a noise to the contrary of what people dislike while doing it anyway.

They make a noise about immigration because people are unhappy about it, but they put their loudest mouth on the job and the plan to "stop" it is positively execrable and will never happen - meanwhile immigration continues apace. Labour did exactly the same - putting Alistair Campbell before commitees and various mouthpieces before the public to "talk tough on immigration" and behind the scenes they are accelerating immigration as hard as they possibly can.

They set the PM up to say "adult human female" on the TV because they realisw rapes and medically abused children go down quite badly with the public. Meanwhile education and prisons are put under rhe control of TWAW, and policy movement in that direction continues apace as people ignore what their local authorities are up to. Labour will do the same.

One lot fucks the NHS from one end and says the other did it, ballooning debt and private involvement, then the next lot gets in and does it from the other end.

Same things are going in everywhere. Foreign policy. Geriatric care. Policing. Prisons. Public sector wages. Freedom of thought, expression and movement. Disabled people's rights. Race politics. Misogyny in high places. Privatization of everything. Profligate rolling debt/collapse cycles. It's all the same shit with some variation in the flavour of the shit stew from one spoonful to the next.

I think the truth is, we have a political class that does exactly what the fuck it wants and rebrands the compulsory journey occasionally so people will vote for it. The trend of people hating each other terribly for even slight political differences like eg this thread is probably useful to that political class, and detrimental to the rest of us.

TheHandmaiden · 16/05/2023 21:04

@cakeorwine - these people are the real crumbs of the Conservative Party.

Any woman who gives a damn about the future of her children might want to listen to this Handmaiden- because she's talking about girls educated by the State.

Back to home economics for you girls. Boys will get extra maths

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 21:04

MargotBamborough · 16/05/2023 21:03

No, he didn't say a woman could grow a cervix.

He seemed pretty sure a man could, though.

You've got a quote where Lammy said woman could grow a cervix. Excellent feel free to share it.

While we wait do you think a party that has overseen a massive drop in the number of men convicted of rape hates woman?

cakeorwine · 16/05/2023 21:04

Looking at the schedule, a lot of the keynote speakers are prominent and somewhat influential Conservatives, including Cabinet Members.

TooBigForMyBoots · 16/05/2023 21:05

jgw1 · 16/05/2023 20:16

You are happy with the principal that girls should recieve less education than boys because all they need to do in life is stay at home and look after children?

Do you also like countries where woman are not allowed out without a male chaperone?

Don't forget the proposed Tory Sex fudge they want in our schools: natal girls should just wait for boys who identify as girls to use the changing rooms first.Angry

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4651945-trans-guidance-for-schools-that-british-fudge-that-so-often-works?page=2

Page 2 | Trans guidance for schools - "that British fudge that so often works" | Mumsnet

In The Times. Looks like a Cabinet split may open up. It's not clear where the extra space will come from for the gender neutral toilets. And it won't...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4651945-trans-guidance-for-schools-that-british-fudge-that-so-often-works?page=2

sonearly · 16/05/2023 21:05

Wow, sorry for that long shouty post. Feels good to say something even if it's on the internet anonymously.

TheHandmaiden · 16/05/2023 21:05

Yes they are. They are the future of the Tories. Heading for opposition and becoming more extreme, not less

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