To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

[dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway]

This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

Your comprehension skills are lacking. I said the attempts at derailing the thread were tedious.

I will, and have happily engaged in threads that concern the erosion of women's rights.

You did and I said fine if you find it tedious but picked up on your language as it’s derisory to women

MargotBamborough and SunnyEgg
Thank you for so ably holding the flag for basic intelligence against the nonsensical hyperbole on this thread.
I admire your perseverence.

And, while Miriam Cates is subject to the Five Minutes Hate on this thread, I won't forget that she stood up in Parliament and spoke for Women's Rights and Lloyd Russell Moyle moved across the house in order to intimidate her. My female Labour MP won't discuss the subject of trans issues because she is so concerned about the backlash from within Labour.

So don't talk to me about the Right potentially silencing Women, when the Left are actively doing it now.

That's how I know why the posters on this thread who are so worried about the Tories can't directly say what alternative there is.

Ah, so dismiss anti-semitism coming from the right, because of the issues in the Labour Party?

I guess in the end it's what you are prepared to tolerate - actual real life dog whistle anti semitic tropes from the Conservatives or potential self ID legislation which hasn't happened (and the stuff that has occurred, has been under a tory government...)

That's because the idea that the Tories are going to abolish democracy and declare the UK an actual dictatorship before the end of next year is so fucking stupid it's not even worth engaging with.
This has got to be the best comment of the thread.

I was desperate to vote Labour.

I couldn't vote Labour under Corbyn and I was delighted when Starmer won the leadership because I thought he was good on Brexit and seemed like an all round sensible person.

I am bitterly disappointed that he seems to be as under the thumb of the loony fringe as Corbyn was.

I also really used to rate David Lammy. Then he made that comment about women who need single sex spaces being "dinosaurs who hoard rights", and then I found out that he had made that comment despite having defended the rights of actual rights hoarding dinosaurs male aristocrats to not lose their hereditary titles and land if they change their legal sex to female. It made me realise that there is an astonishing amount of misogyny in the Labour Party which has clearly been hiding in plain sight all along, and once you see it, you can't unsee it.

The other left wing parties are no better and it has made me genuinely despair for both democracy and for women's rights in the UK.

But it won't get better unless we actually hold politicians to account over these views. It is not unreasonable to want a party in government which recognises that women exist as a class of biologically female people, that we need sex based rights such an equal pay and abortion, and that we should not be forced to share intimate spaces with men or allow them to compete in our sports just because people with gender identities are currently fashionable.

Oh the irony.

I don't think anyone said that though. It was just an acknowledgement that the Tories are capable of very dubious, anti-democratic behaviour. Gerrymandering for example. Illegally proroguing Parliament is another.

Sadly any discussion about this has been derailed.
@Sausagenbacon Are you happy with the other stuff that is being discussed at this event ? Are you happy that phrases are being used by several speakers that have well documented connection with right wing anti semitic rhetoric ? Does that worry you ?

You are right to be on alert. Especially since PMJohnson passed legistlation allowing the government to strip British people of their citizenship, without informing them.😬

Our rights, the ones we have left, are at risk. I was glad to see Sunak reverse ferreting over the EU laws we adopted though.

I responded to this using a word which suggested that I don't think your comment is very intelligent. Clearly that word caused offence because you or someone else reported it and my reply was deleted.

I apologise for the word I used, but I would appreciate it if you could also apologise for your comment, which was facetious, uncalled for and really quite offensive.

@MargotBamborough still desperate to vote for Labour 😂 ?

It is very ironic isn't it? Labour has at least attempted to tackle anti-semitism in the party. The Tory Party has never acknowledged its own issues.

Well obviously not now.

I'm desperate for better options.

Clearly the reason Labour doesn't support electoral reform is because they're too lazy to campaign on the basis of anything other than being "not the Tories".

@MargotBamborough are you happy to defend a party that spouts well known far right clap trap ? What are your feelings about women being too educated as Miss Cates suggests ?

It's ironic in the context of a thread of people hand wringing and, frankly, catastrophising about the Tory party's attitude to women, whilst ignoring the serious issues within Labour.

Almost as if this is just political tribalism, rather than genuine concern about any of these issues.

As previous OP said - Communist party UK or SDP know what women are. Or maybe stand yourself as an independent.

I'm not defending the Tories. I'm asking why we don't have a better alternative.

So, no sensible answer then.

Why don't you just admit that none of the Tories, Labour or Lib Dems are pro women, and that this is a major problem?

Twitter thread on today's speeches

It’s the third and final day of the National Conservatism Conference

Speakers include David Starkey, Lord Frost, Darren Grimes and Toby Young with a closing speech from Lee Anderson

twitter.com/DominicPenna/status/1658726667601289217?s=20

We do. Stick with the Tories though. You'll fit in there.

SamphireDragonFly. No I'm not concerned. As others have said, it's a fringe event.
We live in a free country, where people are allowed to have opinions that differ from mine.
And, I don't believe that 5 Tory mp's attendance would change Tory policy, especially as Labour will be in next time.
As I've said already, I see Labour silencing women here and now. That's what concerns me.

You think the people who call women "dinosaurs who hoard rights" are a good option?

30pLee said the other day -when he was appointed Deputy whatever he is - that, in the absence of Tory policies, culture wars is the way ahead. He has adherents, as evidenced on this thread. Don't play.