To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

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This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

This is a thread implying that we need to get the Tories out before they ban abortion

I don't think they would, But would they start to change the rules.

I am sure that American women didn't think Roe vs Wade would be overturned.

Slowly, slowly.

And people can see what's happening in other countries.

National conservatism UK event may show way ahead for Tories – or be a dead end | Conservatives | The Guardian

You are not wrong.
I do generally find it hard to see things that don't exist.

The intervention in Scotland was big news and they are tightening up on the prison issue, as of February.

I agree it's not nearly enough, but even these baby steps will undoubtedly be reversed by Labour soon anyway.

No one said it was a ‘trans thread’ it does include the Labour party’s views which will impact women though.

I know Labour voters and the party would prefer if women didn’t discuss it but tough really.

It’s also a thread about posters being ‘terrified’. About Braverman winning in 7 years even though they’re confident a less extreme version of the party will be out in 2024.

So confident about the latter but convinced Labour won’t keep hold of public vote after five years.

There is a lot about the Labour Party that I don't agree with. I've always looked at manifestos, my local candidates (the people I actually have to cast my vote for), and how their values fit with mine.

Safeguarding and women's rights are very important to me, and I will do everything I can to continue to fight for these. These have been eroded under the conservatives and Sunak is incapable of showing any leadership in this area.

The fact that his Mps and cabinet contain people that not only endorse nat-c but speak at it is shocking. They are espousing views that would have seen organisations made illegal in the past, yet they are normalising them.

Yanbu, the rise of Nat-Cs is worrying.

I have to say I thought the thread was about the views expressed by current Ministers and other senior Tories at the NatC conference, views which I find abhorrent.

Back in my clubbing days nobody cared which toilet people used. I think women have genuine concerns, that shouldn't be silenced, but there are much greater threats to the country's future. Anyone can technically use any toilet, anyway, so I don't know why people get worked up about it. It's much more alarming to think there's an element of the right aspiring to extreme repressive measures for women.

I know Labour voters and the party would prefer if women didn’t discuss it but tough really

Pretty certain that it does get discussed on a lot of threads on MN though.

I do generally find it hard to see things that don't exist.

Aren’t you a gender ideologist? I thought you found it easy.

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Goodo.

Some try to stop it, as Labour does.

If I knew what a gender ideologist was, I would be able to help you with your question.

That I don't know what one is, might be a clue to the answer though I suppose.

Lee Anderson is speaking tomorrow.

He's always good for something controversial to say.

What a lot of things you don't know.

A Labour supporter who supports gender ideology.

Not GC.

If you are not those things your posts are a misrepresentation of your views.

I wonder whether it will be wackier than your suggestion that people have pronouns on their birth certificates.

Of course.
There is so much knowledge out there that it would be impossible for one person to know everything.
Does that though have any relation to the matters discussed at the NatC event that the OP posted about?

Perhaps you could start another thread to explain what you mean by gender ideology, I would find it most useful and it would save derailling this one further.

Still waiting for you to suggest a party I can vote for, by the way.

Nope.

You are filling it quite nicely with ridiculous Lammy posts in any case.

I’ll do as I like.

If it’s an issue post to other posters.

I think you have confused me with the posters that were determined to fill the thread with things that Lammy hadn't said.

The belief that TWAW is a central tenet of ideology.

It's essentially the belief that people have gender identities which usually, but don't always, match their biological sex, and that it is someone's subjectively expressed gender identity which determines which single sex spaces and sports that person should be in, rather than their objectively determined biological sex.

I'm touched that you value my opinion so highly that you would like me to tell you who to vote for.
You will remain disappointed on that front though as I am of the view that it is for each individual to decide how they vote.

I doubt it

Lots of repetition on Lammy in your posts.

I don’t care, keep going but if you want another thread you do it 🤷‍♂️

So you are unable to recommend a party which respects women's rights then. Got it.

In which case, my reaction to the OP is "why has Labour chosen the moment when we have never needed a decent opposition more to out themselves as insane misogynists?"

I trust this clears things up for you.