To this is fucking dangerous and why we must get the Tories out?

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This:

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Look at the speakers;

nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

How can anybody who has studied any history whatsoever vote for this?

Are living in some kind of shit, TV movie about the fall of the UK?

How much of society comes under the categories of "women" and "children"?

Less than that.

We aren’t americans. There is no big group that wants abortion banned, we are not having huge rows about it because it is not a salient issue in the UK. British people are not on the whole very religious (50% of the population is atheist or doesn’t have a religion vs 29%). The UK’s population is much more socially liberal than the USA. The Conservatives have the most gay MP’s! Try getting any MP to actually propose legislation to curtail girls access to education. MP’s can’t tell schools what the kids should be reading, they can’t arbitrarily choose abortion limits in their constituencies.

They are a completely different country, different values, different way of life, different beliefs, different political system. There would have to be a wholesale shift in the social attitudes of British people for any of the madder suggestions to happen. People who are atheist/agnostics or not religious would have to suddenly become extremely religious (not even moderately) and not COE religious but televangelist religious to have the numbers to get any of this stuff encoded into law.

This is just mad, the hyperbole here is nuts.

It's a derail, easier than having to address what is being said on this Nat C conference by Tory MP's

What do you think he is saying in this clip?

He's saying that men can go from not having a cervix, to having one.

I can see that the verb "grow" is upsetting you for some reason, so feel free to substitute one of your choice that you think reflects what he is saying, and then tell us whether you agree with him.

Because right now you're coming across like a 12 year old repeatedly shouting, "HE DIDN’T ACTUALLY USE THE WORD GROW" to detract from the fact that he is clearly a fucking idiot who said on live radio that a man can grow/have/develop/acquire/magic up a cervix.

If the policies now aren’t going down well then I doubt more extreme ones will

I don’t get the point in being terrified for 7 years for the sake of something that’s unlikely.

If the electorate do warm to it I’d say it’s because climate change has thrown up some extreme conditions, and the public swing right, we’ll have bigger things to be scared about if so.

Why would people care more about what was said at a conference attended by five Tory MPs than about the actual policies of the party most likely to form the next government?

Kemi Badenoch is even more unpopular than Braverman. I doubt she's doing very much but playing to this gallery of extremists. She has all the tools to make difference but nothing.

I'm actually more interested in sewage dumping, the NHS, education and transport than any existential trans threat.

It's obsessive on here.

I've never felt threatened by a trans person in real life.

We’re discussing women’s rights not an existential trans threat

That’s why it comes up a lot

Because this thread is about the Nat Con Conference. Does it not bother you that the Home Secretary is using rfar right rhetoric in her speech?

I don't think Labour has some dastardly plans to strip us of our rights.

Trans people have lived amongst us for decades. I shared club toilets with transwomen back in the 80s. Guess what, nothing bad happened.

Yes, some difficult conversations need to be had, but frankly I don't know any one in real life who is basing their intention to vote on whether Starmer knows what a woman is or not. I only see it on Mumsnet and some parts of Twitter.

But we aren't in Florida.

Do you think it is anti trans to believe that women should be allowed to have a word for themselves which doesn't include men who believe they identify as women, and to have their own single sex spaces and sporting categories? Do you think it is anti trans to not want children who aren't old enough to understand the consequences of their decisions to be able to harm their healthy bodies in order to "treat" a mental health issue?

Yes Labour do this line too. I can see why posters are keen.

Women don’t talk about it.

Yeah it does.

It would bother me a whole lot less if I could tell myself, "At least we have a competent government in waiting who will win in 2024 and get the country back on track with their decent, sensible and workable policies, and which doesn't hate women."

What line does Labour use too?

This is not a trans thread. There are plenty of threads on MN about trans people.

This is a thread about this conference with several prominent Tories attending.

I am not going to get derailed.

Suella is pitching for PM if the Tories lose. I wonder if she will keep her role in the Government with all this?

Ah but at least she knows what a woman is. And if they are a refugee, she will happily ship them and their children off to Rwanda, or imprison them on a barge.

Or send them eviction notices, which is actually happening.

OP any chance you could enable voting on this. Would be really curious to see how this falls on voting.

You can't on the app

This is a thread implying that we need to get the Tories out before they ban abortion.

This is dishonest, given that there is absolutely no indication that the Tories are planning to ban abortion, and frankly, even if they halved the legal time limit for abortions it would only bring the UK in line with much of Europe.

It isn't wrong to point out that the alternative to the Tories is a party which doesn't believe that women should be allowed to exist as a category of people that doesn't include males, or to have any single sex spaces or sports.

There are many reasons to vote the Tories out, but feminism isn't currently one of them, given the alternative.

She'll keep her job, Sunak is too weak to sack anyone promptly.
How long did it take him to sack Raab?

I can't see where the OP says anything about abortion, could you perhaps highlight it for me?

What a lot of things you can't see.

Forgive me, I'm a deeds not words kind of feminist, what exactly have they done to clamp down on it, because as far as I can see, they've only clamped down on Scotland imposing laws that do not align with the rest of the UK. Have they removed all the biological men from women's prisons yet?

And why did they appoint another TWAW believers to head Education? And why is Jamie Wallis on the Women's and Equality com? See these appointments happened recently, under Sunak. Our PM who, until recently believed that a woman was whatever Boris Johnson said. The Boris Johnson who refused to say that only women have a cervix on live TV. Who's to say Sunak won't change his mind again?

Anyway, I fail to see how any woman can possibly think that the Tories are a good idea. They've destroyed women's rights and women's lives with their deeds and it looks like some of them want to go further.