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Not to like the Globe Theatre calling me a bitch?

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 05/10/2022 21:11

OK, not to my face. But following the non-binary Joan of Arc play they’ve shared a ‘terfs stop being transphobic challenge’ referring to anyone who doesn’t believe in gender identity as a bitch.

It’s a shame. I’ve been to some amazing plays at the Globe. But they’ve made their position on feminists pretty clear, so I won’t be going back.

twitter.com/The_Globe/status/1577694873204973569?t=4hr_PKJE3MY0_9-1x3oFvQ&s=19

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RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 17:34

Oh yes. That the one who is like beetle juice isn’t it. Shhhhh.

Pixiedust1234 · 08/10/2022 17:48

Passmethewhat · 08/10/2022 14:51

Where I'm from, you were either a boy or a child.

I'm not God. I don't pretend to be. I don't pretend to shudder in fear at the sight of transwoman in the Ladies' toilets.

How many of you have in fact genuine, real fears of transwomen? If you genuinely fear them, why?

Pass said
Where I'm from, you were either a boy or a child.

No mention of girl? Just boy or child. Says it all really. They are (literally ) writing girls and women out of existence. We see you.

Chersfrozenface · 08/10/2022 17:59

P D James
A S Byatt
C V Wedgwood
E Nesbitt
To name a few.
And then there's all the male authors who use/used initials, it's hardly unknown in the literary world.

As for male pseudonyms, what about George Sand (Amantine Lucile Aurore Dupin)? And Edith Pargeter wrote both under her own name and under the name Ellis Peters (the Brother Cadfael detective novels).

Those are the ones I can think of at the moment.

RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 18:15

So was Tolkien a man, as he used initials, or a woman pretending to be a man by using initials? Did we ever discover which initials meant you were a man?

Passmethewhat · 08/10/2022 18:24

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53002557

The Harry Potter author addressed criticism of her response to an article that described "people who menstruate".
In a lengthy blog, she wrote her interest in trans issues stemmed from being a survivor of abuse and having concerns around single-sex spaces.
Actor Daniel Radcliffe was among those critical of Ms Rowling's comments.

Yet, she then does this.

www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/24/jk-rowling-robert-galbraith-harry-potter

Passmethewhat · 08/10/2022 18:28

Joanne or J.K. or Robert has claimed that he publishers felt a male teenage audience wouldn't buy a book by a female author.

She then claimed that she didn't want her previous husband to find her.

Then she changes names/gender again, yet speaks vocally against trans?

Give me a bucket.

Passmethewhat · 08/10/2022 18:30

I'm not surprised that she is a brilliant fantasist.

TeenDivided · 08/10/2022 18:34

Pass has the concept of using a pseudonym for writing really passed you by? Are you that ignorant? JKR knows full well she is female through and through. If she chooses a male pseudonym for writing it isn't because she is gender confused.

Datun · 08/10/2022 18:56

Passmethewhat · 08/10/2022 18:28

Joanne or J.K. or Robert has claimed that he publishers felt a male teenage audience wouldn't buy a book by a female author.

She then claimed that she didn't want her previous husband to find her.

Then she changes names/gender again, yet speaks vocally against trans?

Give me a bucket.

And I'm not surprised you're criticising a woman escaping domestic abuse, and addressing sexism.

oh, and it's still no.

nothingcomestonothing · 08/10/2022 18:59

Then she changes names/gender again, yet speaks vocally against trans?

You think JKR using a male pseudonym is the same as men using women's toilets/prisons/hospital wards?? What the actual fuck??

Valeriekat · 08/10/2022 19:00

They have gone absolutely barmy

Datun · 08/10/2022 19:02

And she doesn't speak against trans. She has trans friends! She uphold women's rights. As do they.

RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 19:02

Passmethewhat · 08/10/2022 18:28

Joanne or J.K. or Robert has claimed that he publishers felt a male teenage audience wouldn't buy a book by a female author.

She then claimed that she didn't want her previous husband to find her.

Then she changes names/gender again, yet speaks vocally against trans?

Give me a bucket.

Why? Too much day drinking? Glass of water and a lie dime might help

IcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2022 19:07

As Pass doesn't seem to get pseudonyms or pen names i can only assume that's their real name.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 08/10/2022 19:09

Give me a bucket

why?

so you can scrape the bottom of it?

belleager · 08/10/2022 19:43

J K Rowling has been very clear that she doesn't mind what names people call themselves.

Not that she's identifying as a man when writing as J.K. or Robert. Nor is she claiming to have changed sex. But she recognises that trans (and all) people can choose what names they like.

risefromyourgrave · 08/10/2022 20:20

I’ve just read through this whole thread, and I think that pass has actually given the worst TRA argument I’ve ever heard, and believe me, that’s saying something.
@Passmethewhat The man who raped me now identifies as a transwoman, that’s why I’m wary of men and transwomen, because they are one and the same, and one of them subjected me to an horrific ordeal when I was 15.
And as for your ‘why aren’t you doing something instead of whinging?’ I am thanks very much, but that’s only because I don’t have a job to lose. Women have to stay quiet about this shit because they get threatened, or sacked, or ostracised, or more likely all of the above.

RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 20:31

Oh @pass is obviously a day drinker @risefromyourgrave . I am so sorry that happened to you. I am in awe of the cognitive dissonance that people who claim TW are no threat to women because they say they are not men can achieve. At what point does a TW become not a man? When he says the words, when he puts a dress on? When he paints his nails?
And the fact we are accused of doing nothing is particularly galling. Women are working in the background in many different ways, just not shouting about it for fear of the very real retribution from the TRAs

lifeturnsonadime · 08/10/2022 21:12

Well Pass has shown us who they are.

As nothingcomestonothing said comparing a female author using a pen name to overcome sexism to an ideology which enables rapists to rape women in NHS wards and enables rapists to abuse women in prison is beyond the pale.

I would like to think your time on this thread is a deliberate ploy to illustrate the misogyny of trans rights activism but I'm not so sure.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 08/10/2022 21:16

Passmethewhat · 08/10/2022 18:28

Joanne or J.K. or Robert has claimed that he publishers felt a male teenage audience wouldn't buy a book by a female author.

She then claimed that she didn't want her previous husband to find her.

Then she changes names/gender again, yet speaks vocally against trans?

Give me a bucket.

Are you drunk?

RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 21:19

I think we’ve concluded @pass has been on a massive day bender. Read the highlights. It’s a rollercoaster ride

TambourineOfRepentance · 08/10/2022 21:56

TeenDivided · 08/10/2022 17:25

Let me get this straight.
A woman uses her initials, partly to avoid being discriminated against on the grounds of her sex and... you think she has literally changed sex?!?!

You mock, but I've been doing the same thing on emails my entire adult life and now have testes and a beard to rival Brian Blesseds*.
God knows what the effects of having it printed on millions of books would be. By now JK must be the manliest man there ever was.

*Just his beard, not his testes.

RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 21:59

I only use my initials on my bank card @tamb so that makes me a man, but not as manly as you obviously. Which makes me effeminate, which according to @Passmethewhat makes me a woman, so I’m confused. What am I??. Who am I?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 08/10/2022 22:00

RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 21:19

I think we’ve concluded @pass has been on a massive day bender. Read the highlights. It’s a rollercoaster ride

😂😂 scrolled all the way back to look..

risefromyourgrave · 08/10/2022 22:02

RUFISRUF · 08/10/2022 20:31

Oh @pass is obviously a day drinker @risefromyourgrave . I am so sorry that happened to you. I am in awe of the cognitive dissonance that people who claim TW are no threat to women because they say they are not men can achieve. At what point does a TW become not a man? When he says the words, when he puts a dress on? When he paints his nails?
And the fact we are accused of doing nothing is particularly galling. Women are working in the background in many different ways, just not shouting about it for fear of the very real retribution from the TRAs

I just want a TRA to come out and say ‘yes rise, I think you were raped by a woman, by ‘her’ penis, you should refer to your rapist with she/her pronouns, and if you ever took them to court and they were convicted they should be locked up in a woman’s prison’.
I bang on about my experience (I suppose I ‘weaponise it’ a la JKR) because I want a TRA to say this out loud, just to show what their cause advocates for.

Because even though my brave and stunning rapist lived as a man when he attacked me, he ‘always knew she was a woman’. And the fact that he now runs a group for gender questioning teens, well that’s just fine, because now he’s ‘living his (sorry her) truth’. Now he’s living as a woman I’m sure ‘she’ presents no risk to any teenagers, I’m sure the horrendous things he put me through were just a blip in his journey to finding his true self. Fucker.

So I’m fine being a TERF, and I’m fine being a bitch, if being these things mean that I’m on the side of women, then they’re a badge of honour. I will never fuck over women for the approval of men. Whether they’re right wing women, left wing women, women who voted Leave, or women who voted Remain. I don’t care. I will stand for women and I will until the day I die.

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