AIBU To Remind Everyone That Self ID Was A Tory Policy?

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I've seen so many posts over the past few years with people urging us to vote Tory because at least the Conservatives know what a woman is.🙄

This is nonsense for the following reasons:

1. The Tories introduced Self ID under Theresa May's GRA Reform and Penny Mordaunt championed it.
2. Tory MPs have reported women to the police for retweeting AHF posts and tweets by JKR.
3. Trans contagion amongst teens happened under the Tory government.
4. Trans women in women's spaces such as hospitals and prisons and Girl Guides happened under the Tory government.
5. Rape in hospital that isn't considered "rape" because there was no man present? Tory government.
6. It's a Trojan Horse. Bridgend Tories won the seat with a small majority. Their Tory MP, once safely in his seat announced that he was trans and intended to become a woman. I am gutted for any GC/feminist voters who held their nose and voted Conservative only to end up with Jamie Wallace.
7. In the latest leadership race, Penny TWAW Mordaunt nearly became our new prime minister. Few (if any)Tories gave a fuck about her well documented TWAW stance.
8. 1 week after Starmer refused to answer "what is a woman?", PM Boris Johnson did the same. This was not publicised to anywhere near the same extent.

So some Tories know what a woman is.
Some Tories don't.
Most don't give a shit about women or their rights either way, they're just happy to use us in their culture wars.🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

So some Tories know what a woman is.
Some Tories don't. Which is a slight improvement on the Labour Party/Greens/Lib Dems, where none of them will admit knowing.

Most don't give a shit about women or their rights either way, they're just happy to use us in their culture wars. I don’t think any party gives a shit about women. Some just give even less of a shit about trans people.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Tory voter and won’t vote for them in the future. But if you’re going to vote on this basis, then the Tories are the best of a bad bunch. It’s pointless to try and pretend otherwise.

YANBU OP, the Tories started out trying to curry favour through ignorance, then once they worked out which way the wind was blowing have shamelessly used the whole topic to stoke culture war/anti woke ideology.

All the while letting women's rights go down the toilet through their own incompetence.

I said this on one of the threads about Kemi Badenoch but it bears repeating - knowing what a woman is doesn't qualify you to run the country.

It's not any improvement on the other parties. They too have GC and feminist members.

Penny Mordaunt. You could have just stopped there.

And we know.

Mainly because we aren't stupid and can assess who is 'less bad' given that none of any party is 'good'

Sorry, where has Boris Johnson refused to answer what a woman is? He has answered it quite clearly as far as I can see?

Labour won't even speak to women's groups at the moment. They won't let the Labour Women’s Declaration or FiLia have a stand at conference.

And OP I disagree with you. At least the Tories have seen which way the wind is blowing and have started to speak out in favour of women’s rights. Which is more than can be said for Labour (or the Libdems, or the Greens…..)

the Tories started out trying to curry favour through ignorance, then once they worked out which way the wind was blowing have shamelessly used the whole topic to stoke culture war/anti woke ideology

I agree with the first part of this, but the tories don't need to Stoke the culture wars, Labour's position on this issue leads to ridicule, the tories can just sit back and watch

I’m sure they do. But who has publicly admitted it other than the man who ran for leadership of the Green Party recently?

Yes, I know all of this. & I don't kid myself that they aren't essentially a self replicating organism - the purpose & principle of the Tory party is to maintain the hegemony of the Tory party. Got it. Fully understood.

So if Labour want me back, all they need to do is take positions I can vote on, as a woman & a mother of daughters.

I'd be bloody delighted to reinstate my membership (held for 30 years & I told them to shove it 2 years ago), any time they want to express policies I want to vote or campaign for.

Here.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

As I said, blink and you would have missed it. He changed his mind just before the 2 By-elections.

Just to say I'm not a Labour or Conservative or Lib Dem etc. voter or supporter. But I am a woman and the Tory party have been a disaster for women.

Did you miss the AG’s speech today, or is that what prompted this?

They do, yes. What are your thoughts on the way Rosie Duffield has been treated by her fellow Labour party colleagues?

Thank you, I hadn’t seen this. I think the difference for me is that BJ clearly changed tack after this and spoke out about the importance of biology. Starmer, OTOH, seems to be largely entrenched in his views and/or avoiding the topic altogether.

I don't really care what Boris Johnson has/hasn't said on the issue. His word is worth nothing (there were no parties/he wasn't at those parties/he didn't know about those allegations/etc.).

I care about what has happened under the Tory government, which is everything listed above.

I'm not saying that Labour/Lib Dems/Greens are where I want them to be. But they haven't been in government while all this has gone on.

The current Labour leader is happy to classify a male as women.

Any policy he speaks about that uses the word woman, really means people, as in men are included.

Will the Labour party support women if they are in government?
Yep, the bepenised ones along side the old fashioned ones.

Is that a support for the current lot?
Nope, but if the law is changed to support a policy where the State and citizens have to pretend that women have a penis, long term women are not winning there either, are they?

And 6 or 7 years ago I too would probably have learned more towards being kind rather than biologically correct. Many of us have shared our tales, what it was that flipped that switch.

I cannot and will not condemn anyone for going through the same thought process.

Oh, come on! You can't be serious with that claim!

It was Green, LibDem and Labour men and women who were first sounding the alarm when Theresa May's government were loudly parroting TWAW.

Rosie Duffield is firmly in the GC camp and has just been reselected by her constituency party - despite the best efforts of the Conservative TRA opposing her.
Sue Pascoe is a transwomen and TRA who is an area chairman in the Conservative Women's Organisation, supported by that well-known misogynist Crispin Blunt.

Quite frankly, the Conservatives have a nerve claiming they're the party for women. It was women who bore the brunt of the pandemic childcare issues, it's women who are overwhelmingly struggling to maintain their careers when their children are born. Austerity targeted services for women and children.
A party truly for women would be addressing the current childcare crisis.

You sound quite desperate now OP 🙄

God yes. His word is worth nothing needs repeating a million times over.

I don't care really. At least they've turned, which the increasingly ridiculous and unelectable Labour Party seem unable to do.

Against the cost of living, the NHS on its knees (a friend just spent 3 days in a chair in A&E waiting for a bed to treat developing sepsis) the fuel crisis and the rising need for food banks - nobody apart from a few people on Mumsnet and twitter give a flying fuck about gender. Its really not on anyone's agenda, you know that right?

I remember LaScapliatta on a Twitter thread saying a Tory MP admitted the whole Self ID garbage was bait for the Labour Party. That the Tories knew the saps in Labour would fall for this horrendous nonsense as if it were the best thing since sliced bread. And..they did.🙄

FFS Too big you're like a dog with a bone.

We get it you hate the Tories but how we arrived at this point has been explained to you, in detail, many many times. It doesn't suit your agenda so your resurrect the idea in the hope you will find a new audience for it this time.