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AIBU To Remind Everyone That Self ID Was A Tory Policy?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 10/08/2022 19:31

I've seen so many posts over the past few years with people urging us to vote Tory because at least the Conservatives know what a woman is.🙄

This is nonsense for the following reasons:

  1. The Tories introduced Self ID under Theresa May's GRA Reform and Penny Mordaunt championed it.
  2. Tory MPs have reported women to the police for retweeting AHF posts and tweets by JKR.
  3. Trans contagion amongst teens happened under the Tory government.
  4. Trans women in women's spaces such as hospitals and prisons and Girl Guides happened under the Tory government.
  5. Rape in hospital that isn't considered "rape" because there was no man present? Tory government.
  6. It's a Trojan Horse. Bridgend Tories won the seat with a small majority. Their Tory MP, once safely in his seat announced that he was trans and intended to become a woman. I am gutted for any GC/feminist voters who held their nose and voted Conservative only to end up with Jamie Wallace.
  7. In the latest leadership race, Penny TWAW Mordaunt nearly became our new prime minister. Few (if any)Tories gave a fuck about her well documented TWAW stance.
  8. 1 week after Starmer refused to answer "what is a woman?", PM Boris Johnson did the same. This was not publicised to anywhere near the same extent.

So some Tories know what a woman is.
Some Tories don't.
Most don't give a shit about women or their rights either way, they're just happy to use us in their culture wars.🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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ReneBumsWombats · 12/08/2022 15:38

I see absolutism about certain political parties, I.e. "they can't protect women if they can't define them". To me that is an absolutist position

But why?

How can you protect any group of people if there is no meaningful definition or term for them? How do you know who you're protecting? How do you discern what protections this group needs that those outside of it do not?

It's not sophistry or obfuscation. It's a crucial, clear starting point.

DdraigGoch · 12/08/2022 20:18

MarshaBradyo · 11/08/2022 17:44

Can you give an example of this extreme position?

"TWAW" is a pretty extreme position. It's on a par with "the Earth is flat", "vaccines contain microchips", and "unicorns walk among us" in terms of its basis in reality.

ReneBumsWombats · 12/08/2022 20:55

All these "absolutist" statements seem to be the ones saying that woman is an immutable biological reality and sometimes that matters. As before, one poster had no trouble with the statement "it should be possible to set up a gender neutral rape crisis centre". But "it should be possible to set up a female-only rape crisis centre" was an unhelpful blanket statement that lacked nuance. Or even "you can't protect women if you don't know what a woman is".

The wilful absurdity does my head in. If I want to set up a cat shelter, I need to be able to define a cat. And if I decide I also want to admit dogs, that's fine, but it is no longer a cat shelter. Not unless you accept that dogs can be cats. And maybe you do, but in that case, cats do not exist as distinct from dogs. And what exactly is a cat?

MarshaBradyo · 12/08/2022 20:57

DdraigGoch · 12/08/2022 20:18

"TWAW" is a pretty extreme position. It's on a par with "the Earth is flat", "vaccines contain microchips", and "unicorns walk among us" in terms of its basis in reality.

True!

it’s weird how flipped it has become

DdraigGoch · 12/08/2022 21:18

The wilful absurdity does my head in. If I want to set up a cat shelter, I need to be able to define a cat. And if I decide I also want to admit dogs, that's fine, but it is no longer a cat shelter. Not unless you accept that dogs can be cats. And maybe you do, but in that case, cats do not exist as distinct from dogs. And what exactly is a cat?

It's politician's logic.

"All cats have four legs"
"My dog has four legs"
"Therefore my dog is a cat"

See also:

"Girls wear pink"
"My son wears pink"
"Therefore my son is a girl"

Thefruitbatdancer · 13/08/2022 23:12

DdraigGoch · 12/08/2022 21:18

The wilful absurdity does my head in. If I want to set up a cat shelter, I need to be able to define a cat. And if I decide I also want to admit dogs, that's fine, but it is no longer a cat shelter. Not unless you accept that dogs can be cats. And maybe you do, but in that case, cats do not exist as distinct from dogs. And what exactly is a cat?

It's politician's logic.

"All cats have four legs"
"My dog has four legs"
"Therefore my dog is a cat"

See also:

"Girls wear pink"
"My son wears pink"
"Therefore my son is a girl"

Even though they can't see the sexist, stereotyping behind the gender roles. People can't accept that children play with whatever they like to play with. Just because little Jimmy likes Barbies that doesn't make him a girl. Little Jimmy is rejecting socially constructed gender stereotypes & just playing with what he likes. End of; but society can't accept that gender is a socially constructed concept whereas biological sex is a scientific fact.

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2022 03:15

Conservative Politician's Logic: How much power many votes can I get, by being an utter cunt willing to manipulate people's fears?

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ReneBumsWombats · 14/08/2022 08:26

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2022 03:15

Conservative Politician's Logic: How much power many votes can I get, by being an utter cunt willing to manipulate people's fears?

And this is the point where people look to Labour to see how they'll save us.

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