AIBU To Remind Everyone That Self ID Was A Tory Policy?

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I've seen so many posts over the past few years with people urging us to vote Tory because at least the Conservatives know what a woman is.🙄

This is nonsense for the following reasons:

1. The Tories introduced Self ID under Theresa May's GRA Reform and Penny Mordaunt championed it.
2. Tory MPs have reported women to the police for retweeting AHF posts and tweets by JKR.
3. Trans contagion amongst teens happened under the Tory government.
4. Trans women in women's spaces such as hospitals and prisons and Girl Guides happened under the Tory government.
5. Rape in hospital that isn't considered "rape" because there was no man present? Tory government.
6. It's a Trojan Horse. Bridgend Tories won the seat with a small majority. Their Tory MP, once safely in his seat announced that he was trans and intended to become a woman. I am gutted for any GC/feminist voters who held their nose and voted Conservative only to end up with Jamie Wallace.
7. In the latest leadership race, Penny TWAW Mordaunt nearly became our new prime minister. Few (if any)Tories gave a fuck about her well documented TWAW stance.
8. 1 week after Starmer refused to answer "what is a woman?", PM Boris Johnson did the same. This was not publicised to anywhere near the same extent.

So some Tories know what a woman is.
Some Tories don't.
Most don't give a shit about women or their rights either way, they're just happy to use us in their culture wars.🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

The Tories already introduced Self ID. It was disastrous for women's rights. I hope they won't bring it back, but have no doubt they would if it suited them.

What are you talking about? The Tories accepted the recommendation of a cross party committee and agreed to update the GRA to include self ID but in light of new evidence they have backtracked because they can see it's a bad idea. Self ID is not law in the UK, although it may be in Scotland by the end of the year.

Where self ID has taken hold its because of Stonewall law, not the actual law which hasn't changed. Are you ignorant of the facts or willfully misrepresenting them?

You don't have to be grateful for our terrible government but you are being dishonest about their position on self ID. I notice you have nothing to say about the SNP who are forging ahead with self ID and haven't answered my question about all other political parties remaining committed to changing the GRA to allow self ID.

I think you keep posting about self ID being a Tory policy because you do have an agenda and know that some women are now single issue voters. The truth is that the Tories are the only ones who have changed their mind. If any other party had won the 2019 election then self ID would be law across the UK now, every party accepted the recommendations of the cross party committee which advocated for self ID.

knowing what a woman is doesn't qualify you to run the country.

No, but not knowing what a woman is should certainly disqualify you because you must be an absolute tool.

Well, many are still there, still standing up for women’s rights. Did you think those people have all changed their minds?

They are still there now. Many took no notice of the fanatics demanding they leave. They prefer to stay and fight, and they’ve already done a lot of work. Don’t belittle their efforts.

@Tanith That’s great. I have admiration for them and in no way mean to belittle their efforts. So other than the three mentioned above (two of them by me) who are they?

I've seen so many posts over the past few years with people urging us to vote Tory because at least the Conservatives know what a woman is

I haven’t seen this. I’ve seen plenty of threads that are just Tory bashing and sometimes posters have popped up and said that they don’t agree with the OP and appreciate that the tories seem to know what a woman is better than the other parties, which is fair enough. But I haven’t seen threads deliberately designed to encourage Tory voting because at least the conservatives know what a women is.

Nicely put!

For me it’s a bit like lockdown ( the second one) yes the Tories went with it because of overwhelming pressure from media etc but their heart wasn’t really in it and labour were crying More! Longer! Shut the schools!

Boris then said no more and gave us freedom day ( Keir openly critical, reckless etc)
This is the same , went along with gender ideology due to media etc but their heart wasn’t really in it. Now hand break turn and hard stop ( thanks to Mumsnet et al) now the multiple issues are apparent to anyone with a brain but Keir rather than acknowledging the clash of rights and that he is wrong, he tells us that not only women can have a cervix I think this is because he genuinely agrees with gender ideology and he genuinely thinks this is true and that’s my concern.

I am not a Tory voter, but recently (including before the leadership debate), more high profile Tories than high profile MPs of other parties, have been prepared to state what a woman is and tackle some of the concerns women have around the importance of being able to clearly define our sex. Javid stressed the need for clarity of language in the NHS when talking about health problems that only affect females. I totally lost respect for Labour when I heard various members of the shadow cabinet stating that men can have a cervix.

Even if it was not a Tory policy, the government has had seven years to ensure it did not become one by practice or default.

Mr Johnson does not care about women, unless he can have a relationship with them, and then only to a limited extent.

I've seen so many posts over the past few years with people urging us to vote Tory because at least the Conservatives know what a woman is

Again this is bullshit. Some women have decided they cannot bring themselves to vote for any party which does not recognise their sex but they respect the right of everyone else to vote as they see fit.

Your post is essentially an attempt to berate those women for knowing their own minds whilst simultaneously claiming you are being manipulated by them. Stop it.

If you are not convinced about the Tories position on self ID and it is not a vote deciding issue for you then vote for someone else. No one else will be in the voting booth with you.

And don’t even look at Labour or the Rainbows, oops sorry, the Greens. Then north of the border it’s just crazy.

Gender ideology is a global thing. It’s in every country. U.K. are leading the fight back from what I can see and giving confidence to people in other countries to do the same. And we have to thank Tory ministers including Johnson for that. Although it’s plenty of women, journalists and others that have tirelessly pointed out the issues and given sunlight which has allowed the politicians to speak out like they have.
Ireland just waking up now for example although they will have a harder fight as self ID is already law. Luckily we stopped it here thanks to Tory politicians ( and Mumsnet)

Well yes it was a Tory policy.
And I agree what the fuck were they thinking?
They were thinking: this looks like the 'nice' thing to do, like everyone else was.

But at least they've finally woken up, and realised it's not kind and nice, it's dangerous ideology harming kids and women, & they're saying that out loud now. At last. And things are happening.

Whereas the rest of them are still worrying about not looking 'nice' and pretending they don't know what a woman is.

When they wake up too and start talking sense again, come back.

When I say U.K. I mean England

You know literally no one who worries about fuel bills?? Wow you move in very limited circles don’t you? How very privileged.

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"I said this on one of the threads about Kemi Badenoch but it bears repeating - knowing what a woman is doesn't qualify you to run the country."

Yeh, I wouldn't keep repeating it, it's not that clever.

It's not sufficient to know what a woman is, but it is essential.

I don't want anyone running the country who continues to lie that they don't know what a woman is.

It would be nice if they'd all never gone along with any of this, but I'll take a mea culpa and a change of mind from any labour or green politician who now wants to get back on board with reality.

I know you think you are being well informed and persuasive op.
But your many, many, many posts on this subject, where you display a slavishness to tribal politics, ignore facts and complexities, ignore current harms Labour are doing and double down on the all Tories are evil rhetoric have persuaded me that me voting Conservative is probably the best thing.
If you came up with a concrete, non emotive argument I'd obviously listen, bit the fact that you can't leads me to think there isn't one.
So you are more persuasive than you think. Perhaps not in the way you want though.
Drop the polar hyperbole and engage with points and people might listen.
I think women's rights is important btw, so telling me it's a niche position is a good way to let me know our values don't align.

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The Tavistock being sued by 1000 families is going to be interesting. I wonder if all the TWAW MPs in all parties will slowly wake up to this toxic ideology.

It doesn't matter which party started the mass ideological brainwashing, what's really concerning is that policy makers have lapped it all up. How do we move on from the TWAW mantra that's all over the place?

I’m hoping this is wearing itself out.

Maybe it’s just the post pride month+ and most companies and organisations dropping the rainbow washed logos. Or maybe people are now seeing what’s happening and feeling that they can say no to pronouns in biogs, logos on websites, flags in offices, bakesales for ‘charities’, ridiculous pretzeling id language to avoid the dreaded ‘w’ word…

I was in Scotland recently and some people I spoke to had no idea what was happening there).

The SNP may be full steam ahead with self ID but there is huge push back from some seriously impressive women's rights campaigners in Scotland. Joanna Cherry has made a significant contribution to the effort. Ireland are now pushing back too but I think their struggle will be harder because self ID is already law.. There are grassroots campaign groups all over the UK working really hard to highlight the harm self ID does.

I agree and knew about everything you typed boots.

As far as I'm concerned not 1 political party does enough for woman's rights. It's something that isn't discusses or openly stood up for enough. If at all.

What worries me is that people vote Tory in the belief it'll improve woman's rights.

Not one party will do that we need to stand up and find another way.

But one thing I do know is that the Tory party are like a harbour of sinking ships and are actually now sinking each other.

Id rather have a party that doesn't know what a woman is than one who doesn't know what a truth is.

Id rather have a party that doesn't know what a woman is than one who doesn't know what a truth is.

When I hear Labour politicians saying males can be women I hear a lie, and if they are able to lie about something which is so obvious I wonder what else they will lie about.

Id rather have a party that doesn't know what a woman is than one who doesn't know what a truth is.

What's the difference?

A huge lie that covers half the population

They either know it’s a lie or don’t and it’s equally as bad

Well yes I hear a lie too.

Except it isn't so much a lie but semantics because it's all about self ID via gender than biological sex.

I can go about my daily life not being too much affected by trans woman in woman's spaces day in day out and can challenge where necessary.

The lies the Tory's have told for years have a daily impact on me.

No party will deal with the self ID stuff.

But I want someone in charge who will improve my life holistically.