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Sam Smith coming out as non-binary - help me understand!

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namechangeblah2019 · 15/09/2019 03:01

Name changed for this in case it gets messy.

I don't know if you've seen in the news but the singer Sam Smith came out as non-binary recently and has now asked that people use they/them pronouns with regard to them.

Absolutely not a problem with using those pronouns - I'm not a fan of theirs particularly so it's unlikely that they'll be cropping up that much in conversation anyway!

But - and I promise I am not being obtuse here, I am just old and slow but I am willing to learn Grin - what exactly is non-binary? I just can't wrap my head around it. Surely the existence of non-binariness as a concept positions it as an alternative to an existing binary (i.e. men being macho and loving beer, women being all pink and girly and love wine) which I thought we all got over (or are meant to be getting over - sadly some people are very slow on the uptake!) anyway?

If I put on a pair of trousers or drink a pint or watch football I don't feel any less like a woman. I still feel like namechangeblah2019. How can you both refute the existence of a gender binary but also claim to be outside of it?

Please be kind to me - as I say I'm not implying they are wrong at all and if that is how they feel most comfortable being referred to then good on them and we should all respect that! I just want to learn as I currently feel like a right old fogey Blush

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Doyoumind · 21/09/2019 14:14

Oh, yes. It was the dark matter thing I remember being discussed. SS needs to be careful who they associate with. There's no way that sentence is grammatically correct.

Juells · 12/10/2019 07:25

:( Just came across this on front page of Yahoo! and did a double-take. I hope he has some support in real life.

uk.yahoo.com/style/sam-smith-lingerie-attitude-awards-pictures-102826780.html

Juells · 12/10/2019 07:26

Oops, I meant 'they'.

moreturkeyforme · 12/10/2019 13:06

Back in the 80s we didn't make a big deal when Boy George and Marilyn turned up at awards like this.

Although in fairness to them they didn't make a big deal of he /she /they/ them and how they should be addressed like SS has.

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/10/2019 13:19

At least it's from this shop, basically lacy underwear for men.

bymenagerie.com/

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/10/2019 13:22

Fine by me if men also wish to develop itchy jock strap and contribute more polyester to the environment. Why should it always be women?

Though obv best if it is biodegradable cotton.

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