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Well, it’s happened... the trans activists have waded into the 8th amendment issue in Ireland

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AngeloMysterioso · 01/06/2018 00:34

And are apparently pushing for the language in the repeal legislation to be “gender neutral”.

Quote from the article-

“Despite what some may believe, men can become pregnant too. There are tens of thousands of transgender men and non-binary people in Ireland who can conceive, and when speaking about reproductive healthcare, we must always be mindful of that.

“It’s imperative that newly written legislation uses inclusive language. By including this, trans men and non binary people will not hit legal barriers should they need to receive an abortion. By using the term pregnant people in new legislation, as well as protecting women, we are also protecting and respecting all gender identities should a crisis pregnancy occur.”

So. That’s nice. Thousands upon thousands of women have suffered, many have died, because of bullshit like the 8th amendment. And after fighting so hard for so fucking long and finally winning the right to bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, if the TAs get their way, we get to be referred to as pregnant people

I’m a bit of a TERF at the best of times but this is beyond fucking insulting. Savita Halappanavar wasn’t a pregnant person. Michelle Harte wasn’t a pregnant person. Sheila Hodges wasn’t a pregnant person.

If the TDs capitulate and let this happen I will be really pissed off.

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:05

Some bedside reading

transcrimeuk.com/2017/11/16/trans-homicides-in-the-uk-a-closer-look-at-the-numbers/

TerfsUp · 01/06/2018 21:05

For the zillionth time, in Ireland you can change your sex legally

For the zillionth time, it is impossible to change your sex - your sex is determined by your chromosomes. If you have xy or xxy chromosomes you are male. If you are an adult male you are a man. If you have xx chromosomes you are female. If you are an adult female you are a woman.

If you have xy or xxy chromosomes you cannot become pregnant. If you have xx chromosomes you can become pregnant.

You can legally change your gender in some countries. You can mutilate your genitals. You can take artificial hormones. You can wear dresses / trousers. You can have short / long hair. You can wear make-up /not wear make-up. You can change your gender. But you cannot change your sex.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:11

fairplayforwomen.com/impact-gra-reform-uk-prisons/

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:12

Half of all transgender prisoners are sex offenders or dangerous category A inmates

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:14

Aren't there 'special provisions' in the law in Ireland such that Trans ID Males are not housed with female prisoners?

thebewilderness · 01/06/2018 21:16

Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex, and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that only the true believer actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?

thebewilderness · 01/06/2018 21:17

It has been done before and it never ended well for women, children, or the poor.

Ohmydayslove · 01/06/2018 21:22

Or a totally and utterly blithering idiot!

Or just don’t care more likely

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:28

Strongmummy

Other than the various reading I have given you, have a look at this sweetheart.

Oh, and have you ever heard of Maria McLachlan? Surely, you must have? Thumped by a transwoman at Speakers' Corner of all places? I suppose none of this is good enough for you, because those women had it coming, the uppity TERFy bitches

itsbritneybiatch · 01/06/2018 21:34

Why do we even need the term pregnant person. The only "people" who can get pregnant are biological women.

Change it to pregnant person all you want but the truth of it is only women can become pregnant. Someone born a male does not have All the internal gear to accommodate a pregnancy.

These people want to be accommodated in a law that will never affect them. FFS.

RomeoBunny · 01/06/2018 21:36

@whywhywhywhywhyyy also because it's becoming part of the Royal so the board wouldn't give a shit if they tried to argue it anyway.

Ohmydayslove · 01/06/2018 21:37

Do you know what ladies!

Men just fuck off!

Thst is all

TerfsUp · 01/06/2018 21:38

And no one yet can give me a personal story

Biscuit
TerfsUp · 01/06/2018 21:39

These people want to be accommodated in a law that will never affect them

Precisely.

Metoodear · 01/06/2018 21:43

There was the trans guy who hid in a teenage girls bedroom and masturbated wasn’t their

Oh and the guy who killed holly and Jessica is now trans Confused

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:44

So 'woke'. So womanly

twitter.com/Lippy_inc/status/1002575330991853569

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:49

"Incredibly, Martin Ponting, who was sentenced to life in 1995 for the rape of two girls under the age of 16, was recently moved to the all-women prison of Bronzefield in Surrey because he now identifies as a woman and goes by the name of Jessica Winfield. He has now been segregated from the other prisoners at Bronzefield presumably for some serious misdemeanour. (For making advances to women, say sections of the press, though the prison authorities deny this.) To place a rapist among women because he claims to be a woman might prove to be the moment the cult of genderfludity crossed the line from irritating to psychotic."

Would you want to share a cell with this 'person' Strongmummy?

TerfsUp · 01/06/2018 21:52

@strongmummy, here's a third example for you: Martin Ponting / Jessica Winfield. Perhaps you can ask one of the victims to tell you about the event so that you can satisfy your rather disturbingly salacious desire for a personal account.

TerfsUp · 01/06/2018 21:53

Sorry - "personal account" not "personal story".

TerfsUp · 01/06/2018 21:56

Give me ONE example where young girls or women have been abused by a trans person

@strongmummy, here's another one: "Four women attacked and beat a lesbian in a homophobic assault on Tuesday night as she exited the ‘Grey Fox Pub’, a gay bar in St. Louis. The women, all members of the transgender movement who identify as ‘Non Binary Trans’ were angered by the victim’s homosexuality and her belief that sexual orientation for most people, straight or gay, is based on biological sex."

Link at gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/06/01/non-binary-queers-gay-bash-lesbian-outside-st-louis-gay-bar-brag-about-it-on-twitter/#comments

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 01/06/2018 21:58

Joe Rogan on Fallon Fox. Listen to a man saying why a transwoman shouldn't be allowed to knock fuck out of women for 'sport'

whywhywhywhywhyyy · 01/06/2018 22:34

Give me ONE example where young girls or women have been abused by a trans person

outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/when-is-90-not-substantially-all/

TerfsUp · 01/06/2018 22:38

Give me ONE example where young girls or women have been abused by a trans person. One example. You can’t

Oh, but we can. And have.

Aeroflotgirl · 01/06/2018 22:44

If they are pregnant, than they are biological Female then! All this bullshit cones down to, two biological sexes, Male and Female.

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