Well, it’s happened... the trans activists have waded into the 8th amendment issue in Ireland

[AngeloMysterioso]

And are apparently pushing for the language in the repeal legislation to be “gender neutral”.

Quote from the article-

“Despite what some may believe, men can become pregnant too. There are tens of thousands of transgender men and non-binary people in Ireland who can conceive, and when speaking about reproductive healthcare, we must always be mindful of that.

“It’s imperative that newly written legislation uses inclusive language. By including this, trans men and non binary people will not hit legal barriers should they need to receive an abortion. By using the term pregnant people in new legislation, as well as protecting women, we are also protecting and respecting all gender identities should a crisis pregnancy occur.”

So. That’s nice. Thousands upon thousands of women have suffered, many have died, because of bullshit like the 8th amendment. And after fighting so hard for so fucking long and finally winning the right to bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, if the TAs get their way, we get to be referred to as pregnant people

I’m a bit of a TERF at the best of times but this is beyond fucking insulting. Savita Halappanavar wasn’t a pregnant person. Michelle Harte wasn’t a pregnant person. Sheila Hodges wasn’t a pregnant person.

If the TDs capitulate and let this happen I will be really pissed off.

I am not a gestater or pregnant person, I am a woman.

You're going to love this Dudeybruv then

No trans man would be at risk. No GP is going to say "Hey, you have short hair and are wearing masculine clothing, you can't be in possession of a uterus. Get out of my surgery!" All they have to say is that they are trans but still have a full female reproductive system and want to request an abortion.

This is just this weeks grab at attention.

I laughed out loud at the performatively woke tweet about harmful stereotypes, Assigned.

Metoodear yes, I do take your point over ‘passing’. I wasn’t thinking outside a S London context, where ‘mixed race’ is the fastest growing demographic etc.

Actually I think the whole notion of passing brings into context tne differnve beteeen race and culture, and colour, in a way which might be more akin to the whole sex / gender issue. My (mixed race) kids have friends who are ‘white’, look white... but are mixed race. Also black friends, dark skinned, who have a white parent. I tend to use ‘black’ as an inclusive political term... because I have black friends who due to being mixed race are actually lighter skinned than me as a Mediterranean-skinned White person. But despite our place in tne Pantone chart they are black (and identify as such) and I am white, (ditto). maybe sex = race and gender = colour. Or the other way around!

What an insult Assigned, it's like they hate women. The misogeny of that statement to exclude women all together. I am a woman, not a tansman, not a gestater, and I wish to be known as a woman if I want to access an abortion.

ScrubTheDecks But the issue Of parentas something your not is far r

ScrubTheDecks The issue of pretending to be s omine y

Can't believe those fucking arseholes. Well I can. This has been bubbling under for some time now, with some dickhead TRAs centring themselves in Repeal and persuading women that "pregnant people" etc isn't abusive male gaslighting. I'm more disgusted by the women to be honest, whose brains seem to have fallen out of their heads with all the wokeness. We used to believe in apparitions of Our Lady and transubstantiation and prayers to St Jude and we've just switched over to a different kind of made up bullshit

That would be laughable if I weren't afraid that the TDs woudl tiptoe around them.

Men telling women what they shoukd do, and it's for their own good, please, let women make that decision themselves. If Transmen (bio Females), non binary who are pregnant wish to be known as pregnant people or gestators, they shoukd make it known to health professionals, what they want to be called. The majority of pregnant women are born Female and happy in their biological sex. Legislation on abortion should represent this.

I'm usually pretty 'TERF-y' but, weirdly, this doesn't actually bother me at all.

I think because, unlike most of the issues that arise with the trans agenda, it's not a situation where biological males are insisting on being included in something which has affected and marginalised biological females throughout history.

All people who get pregnant are biologically female and therefore I don't think it really matters if some are referred to in a gender neutral or male way.

What I think does matter is situations where biological males get themselves included with women. I'm not fussed by biological women distancing themselves from women.

@manicinsomniac it's a slap in the face for our countless women and girls in history who have suffered and died because of their female bodies. Words are important.

All people who get pregnant are biologically female and therefore I don't think it really matters if some are referred to in a gender neutral or male way.

All people who get pregnant are female and therefore should be referred to as such. When men start getting pregnant then the language should be changed.

It is truly remarkable how long it has taken to get women's health and lives taken seriously - and how quickly in comparison the transactivist ideology has taken hold.

They just don't care about women, which is what the 8th amendment concerns, those who are pregnant are Female, and most women, are happy in the sex they were born into. If biological Females want to be known as something else, than they should let health professionals know, but for the majority pregnant women are women.

Give me ONE example where young girls or women have been abused by a trans person. One example. You can’t

Oh, but I can, @strongmummy. Here's another one: "Christopher Hambrook, 37, leaned on the ever expanding legal “rights” offered to people who “identify” with the sex opposite their biology. Under the name “Jessica,” he was able to get into the women’s shelters, where he sexually assaulted several women in 2012, the Toronto Sun reports."

Link at www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

Pachyderm - I can't understand why it's a slap in the face for women. If it was a case of men being included in something that only affects women, I'd totally agree with you. But it isn't. We're only talking about women.

I think I can use race as an analogy to show why it isn't offensive/an issue to me:
If a white person identified as black and said they had been affected by the African slave trade and therefore black people should be referred to as just people when discussing it - well, that would be hugely problemmatic and offensive because they would be erroneously taking on and minimising an identity that is not theirs.

But if a black person identified as white and said they had still been affected by the African slave trade and therefore black people should be referred to as just people when discussing it - that doesn't seem wrong because the marginalised person is still a marginalised person and it doesn't matter how they identify.

The first part of the analogy is what TIMS sometimes do and what the TRA agenda threatens. The second part is what is happening in this 8th amendment case.

We're only talking about women.

Yeah. It's not like we're talking about anything important. It's only women, after all.

Terfsup - you can't just take one phrase totally out of context and change its meaning like that. Within the rest of the paragraph, it's perfectly obvious I am saying that, when it comes to pregnancy, we are only talking about women, not women and men.

I didn't take anything out of context; nor did I change the meaning in any way. You were quite clear: it's only about women.

Plus, your whattaboutery is a classic sign of a logical fallacy. This isn't about race; it's about women.

But, as you said. It's only about women. Sorry to make it a big deal when you clearly don't.

I agree with everything you’ve said, manic.

Are you deliberately misunderstanding the word ‘only’, Terf?

‘We are talking about women only.’

I know the meaning of the word, thestoic and I quoted what the OP wrote.

"We're only talking about women." Not "we're talking about women only". Lecture me about the meaning of words when you get quotes right.

Oh - and thestoic - you might want to ask the OP about the difference between "women" and "biological women". Quote "I'm not fussed by biological women distancing themselves from women."

In fact, all of the original quote was an illogical mess.