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Orlantina · 12/05/2017 18:49

Continued

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Roussette · 16/05/2017 16:53

So they're wittering on about what he's going to do in Europe. BIG diversion then.

If I were one of the Presidents he was meeting I'd be telling him to jog on

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 16:55

Out of interest, just where are the Kushners?

Roussette · 16/05/2017 16:55

He's taking questions and it's deny deny deny.

What a coincidence, never imagined that!

Roussette · 16/05/2017 16:57

This is a fucking whitewash. He's saying he can't say anything because it would jeopardise people and is confidential. Yeah right...

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 17:01

Did you notice that this presser was on BBC? (As opposed to some American channel.)

Gumpendorf · 16/05/2017 17:16

It's just like the campaign. Initial shock, reframing event, redirect the focus elsewhere. Maybe we have to get used to this.

PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 17:18

We have to get used to resisting this.

Dumdedumdedum · 16/05/2017 17:23

Just because they're denying doesn't mean they're not lying every time they open their mouths.
Where is the resistance leading, though, Perking? As we've seen, over the months, each time he has done something more outrageous, he's got away with it. I'm still in despair.

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 17:24

Persist, Dum. Persist. Smile

PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 17:25

Oh I agree, Dum. My resistance at the moment is just resisting it becoming normalized - to me at least.

lionheart · 16/05/2017 17:34

Time to bring on the Sontag:

“The likelihood that your acts of resistance cannot stop the injustice does not exempt you from acting in what you sincerely and reflectively hold to be the best interests of your community.”

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:35

AFP news agency‏ @AFP
#BREAKING Trump to give speech on Islam in Saudi Arabia: White House

honeysucklejasmine · 16/05/2017 17:37

What could possibly go wrong?

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 17:38

I shudder to think.

Dumdedumdedum · 16/05/2017 17:42

That'll be nice. Bigly nice.

Like that Sontag very much, lionheart, though my initial thought was "really, did Stephen Sontag write those lyrics?" Blush

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:42

What could possibly go wrong?

I'm not sure we should even try and speculate because the reality is probably worse anyway.

lionheart · 16/05/2017 17:43

Isn't there that shoe throwing tradition as a way of expressing consternation and disapproval? Smile

MsHooliesCardigan · 16/05/2017 17:45

Talk about a recipe for disaster. Didn't George W get a shoe thrown at his head?

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:47

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/16/trumps-fans-shrug-off-oval-office-leak-215140
Trump's Fans Shrug Off Oval Office Leak
'Total bullshit,' one pro-Trump troll said of reports that the president disclosed sensitive intelligence to the Russians.

“It’s total bullshit,” said Charles Johnson, a prominent internet troll close to the administration. “I think The Washington Post is way over their skis.”

Actual quote from the article.

Trump in Saudi is getting my bet for hitting 'peak crazy'.

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 17:47

If he sticks to the State Department draft, he should be fine. If he decides to extemporise, though.........

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 17:51

Red

If I recall, there are some 12 million Americans who believe that the planet is ruled by lizards in people suits. What chance is there - especially given a constant diet of Fox & Friends - that 45's core support will alter.

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 17:58

Jasmin Mujanović‏ @JasminMuj
A Democratic win in 2018 won't fix surreal damage this admin has already done to US international standing, security, rule of law.
And refusal of GOP to respond to damage Trump doing is how civil wars start. Party over country, in final analysis, means no shared country.
Any elxn in '18 will more resemble Turkish referendum than free and fair vote. Climate of fear, foreign meddling, sectarianism, lawlessness.
We're barely 4 months in. How ppl assume "Dems win in 2018, impeachment proceeds quickly" is a plausible future timeline is beyond me.
This is what @SashaHemon wrote about in Jan. People are trying to rationalize catastrophe; not dealing w reality.
www.villagevoice.com/arts/stop-making-sense-or-how-to-write-in-the-age-of-trump-9575300
So 2 pts: impeachment, if it is to happen and matter for integrity of US constitutional govt, has to at least begin before 2018.
Secondly, realize that much of the worst case scenarios media warned you of in 2016 have already happened 4 mos in. Uncharted waters now.
Meaning, it gets worse from here on out and your point of comparison - previous US history - is a poor guide for period ahead.
No accident most prescient writers on Trump (@mashagessen, @sarahkendzior et al) experts on European, Central Asian authoritarian regimes.
That's your big clue that very little in US history, (un)fortunately, has prepared you for existential threat Trump represents to democracy.
For those upset that this a cynical, dark take: it's not. It's a reality check. It gets worse. That's how authoritarianism works.
Doesn't mean resistance vs such regimes hopeless. But to truly prepare, mobilize against such a regime, mvmts need to accept reality, facts.
And reality is: if you're counting on 2018, you're not really defending rule of law today. And if you don't act today, 2018 won't happen.
You organize, you resist, you call, you protest, you march - today. Authoritarians destroy tomorrow. Tomorrow is too late. Today. Now. /x

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2017 18:03

What chance is there - especially given a constant diet of Fox & Friends - that 45's core support will alter.

I think Trump's public support against the Russian Inquiry - is slowly getting down to just the Lizard Fearers and Leaders of the Republican Party and is almost as high as its going to go.

That's why its about the leaders of the Republicans now and putting pressure on them.

Here's the thing: There is an opportunity to be the saviour of the USA and become the Hero with bipartisan support, should a political figure in the Republicans decide to lead such a charge against Trump.

The Republicans could take out Trump during the Presidential Campaign but with Anti-Trumps from the Democrats on board they DO have the numbers.

Either way. Things get messier and messier the longer it drags on.

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 18:06

I don't disagree with much of what she said - which is why I've already, as other posters, started thinking about the Aftermath. It's important, whatever happens, to have a clear run at it though. 45 needs to go, somehow.

And if it takes till 2018 to block him, then that's what it takes.

lionheart · 16/05/2017 18:12

Trump now on giving another hideous speech.