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This thread is fired. Terminated. Trump cont

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Orlantina · 12/05/2017 18:49

Continued

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2924472-We-cant-answer-this-thread-without-revealing-classified-information-Trumpery-trumped

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Dumdedumdedum · 16/05/2017 08:11

Pain, I couldn't finish that NYT opinion piece because it truly pained me to read it. I like that quote from it, thank you.
"Only a few days and DT is off to Saudi, Italy, Israel... I'm wondering if it will still go ahead given he can't keep his gob shut."
Is foot in mouth a quarantineable disease?

PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 08:16

I've just re-watched Keith Olbermann's piece from 25 January:

Keith Olbermann: Donald Trump Is Not Of Sound Mind And Must Resign
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-olbermann-donald-trump-is-not-of-sound-mind-and-must-resign_us_58884d96e4b0441a8f71db51?

It's prescient.

Lweji · 16/05/2017 08:17

I'm somewhat sceptical about the possibility of him leaking any important info, mostly because I doubt he'd remember any and his capability of transmitting it in a sufficiently clear manner. And that's not joking.

However, he courted this sort of story. He is doing his best to avoid any sort of Russian investigation, he won't disclose his financial dealings, he won't separate himself from his investments, and to top it all he's meeting with Russian officials making it look like a secret meeting.

He's bringing it all on himself. Fake news or not.

PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 08:26

Depends how recently he's heard it, Lweji. Whether classified or not, he leaks the contents of his brain all the time.

Eg he remembered watching the inaccurate Fox programme about Sweden, long enough to claim the next day that something had happened in Sweden.

Even the likes of us are able to track back and work out a bit about the input which caused that output. I'm pretty sure the Russians will do a more thorough job than us.

Roussette · 16/05/2017 08:29

He's desperate for affirmation and validation isn't he... he just pours out random facts he's picked up somewhere with the idea of impressing people or making them like him. It's all rather sad isn't it. To be so bloody needy and desperate. It would just be sad if it was just Joe Bloggs. But it's dangerous given his position.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/05/2017 08:31

I don't know about the veracity of this but it isn't hard to imagine that this is a possible outcome:

Astead W. Herndon @AsteadWH
"That person is likely dead." - @JulietteKayyem on CNN about source who infiltrated ISIS who the President (THE PRESIDENT) just compromised

Roussette · 16/05/2017 08:33

This surely must be tongue in cheek. Surely..... if not, his supporters are more bonkers than I first thought. Shock

www.gofundme.com/14-of-trump-border-wall-fund

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 16/05/2017 08:39

I think so, reading down to the bottom, it's to be donated to ACLU

Roussette · 16/05/2017 08:46

Phew! The world hasn't gone mad then..

lionheart · 16/05/2017 09:32

Another one of those. 'that can't be true, can it?' moments.

At least this time the toast landed butter side up. Smile

Orlantina · 16/05/2017 09:37

He's pissed off the intelligence community again.

That's not what you do.

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CaveMum · 16/05/2017 09:51

Buzzfeed verify the Washington Post story: www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/trump-highly-classified-information-russians?utm_term=.fjyajJ3No#.go3xN1YA4

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 10:09

I seem to recall that Reuters also carried it last night. I think they had verified it also.

Lweji · 16/05/2017 10:13

Oh, I see. He mentioned a threat from ISIS.

Is there a good thing about this President at all?

Orlantina · 16/05/2017 10:14

There must be a question the reporters can ask which gets to the heart of the matter.

Did the President say something that could have put an intelligence source of one of our allies at risk?

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MsHooliesCardigan · 16/05/2017 10:21

Pain that nytimes article about him operating on the level of a needy child is spot on and actually paints a very sad picture. I must admit I've had fleeting moments of almost feeling sorry for him. What I don't get is why he is so utterly filled with hate.

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 10:22

Why should it get to the heart of the matter, Orlan, when they can just deny. Or block - as Spicey did when asked about the Oval Office tapes?

45 will be lucky if someone hasn't died a lonely and desperate death today because of this. Sadly, this matter isn't just about 'big concepts' - although the damage.done to America's intel reputation can hardly be overestimated.

Orlantina · 16/05/2017 10:29

During WW2, the Allies had the Enigma machine. We were very careful about the intel from that because revealing your hand / acting on the intelligence all the time would have given the game away.

Trump wouldn't have been trusted to know about that source as he would probably have been so impulsive, he'd have blurted it out in a tweet...

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PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 10:34

Minor diversion.

I was struck by the mention in one of the "Follow the data" pieces of a chap called Roger Gabb. He's a British pro-Brexit Tory donor, shareholder in Cambridge Analytica (or SCL Elections, I couldn't make out the prose), and... owner of South African wine company Kumala who has owned a vineyard nr Stellenbosch since 1995.

Aaron Banks, millionaire backer of UKIP and co-founder of Leave.uk, is also a British businessman with strong links to South Africa - grew up there, owns a diamond mine there.

This might be nothing, but the "Follow the data" articles highlight the significance of personal introductions and networks. They show that organisations which on (most bits of) paper are completely independent, are in fact deeply interrelated.

So the popping up of two South African-connected chaps has tickled my senses. Ultra-rich, white South African circles constitute a fairly small pool. People know each other. They're often internationally dispersed, particularly after the violence and uncertainty of the 1980s/90s, but effortlessly span the continents.

And just to throw something further into the mix, white supremacist beliefs aren't exactly unknown in this group. They either grew up with the racism and "swart gevaar" and narratives of "the superior white race under threat from the black tide", or were attracted to South Africa by same (sadly true).

I'm not suggesting all white South Africans are white supremacists. But it was a country where white supremacism was encoded in law and society for many decades, and that doesn't go away the moment you elect a new government.

Like I say, might be nothing. But it may be worth just keeping an eye open for more South African links.

As you were.

PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 10:38

(Sorry for just dumping that from my brain while I could remember it.)

JessiCake · 16/05/2017 10:51

I follow these threads but don't usually post (can't keep up!!), they're fab and thanks everyone.

But I have to post today to ask, in a tiny naive, hopeful voice... does anyone think this is 'it'? The smoking gun I've been hoping (OK, praying!) for? Is this enough to get the rats to desert the sinking ship and pile on the pressure for a resignation or (holy grail) impeachment?

Or am I just a sucker for truth and justice and been watching too many movies?

PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 10:55

Just don't know, Jessi.

Trump said in 2016, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters."

And it's looking like that's true.Sad

cozietoesie · 16/05/2017 11:03

Perking

Let's say that he's now and for sure .............lost the confidence of his IC. (And that wasn't a very stable currency to start off with.)

You just don't do that. If you're wise.

PerkingFaintly · 16/05/2017 11:04

In a WWII analogy: Trump hasn't been accused of saying "We've broken the Enigma code." (McMaster's denial covers something the WaPo hadn't accused 45 of.)

Trump has been accused of sharing Ultra, the intel from breaking Enigma. But to a sufficiently knowledgeable person, that reveals we must have broken Enigma to get it.

Roussette · 16/05/2017 11:04

Jessi I'm likely to be totally wrong but I do feel the tide has turned a bit. I think he's losing a bit of support within the GOP. I have no facts, I just read twitter and stuff a lot, I don't know but I sense a sea change. Let's hope!