Labour isn't Working - Thread 41

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I wonder if that was the incendiary device incident? If so the police might have some very serious questions to answer.

Jakers!! He sounds like one of those basement type computer nuts who's been sucked into a different universe mentally.

Reading that the 2 men arrested over alleged terror plot against Jews in Manchester entered the UK by small boat. One in 2020 and one in 2023. One was granted asylum and one has a live claim.

"Nigel Farage firebomb suspect caught on CCTV but police failed to spot him" https://www.gbnews.com/politics/nigel-farage-firebomb-suspect-cctv-footage-police

This is not good.

Maybe helps to explain why Farage went a bit off the rails with his the police are against me rants.

It certainly does.

Why are the police only announcing there was a terror plot when their investigation has concluded, when any investigation into Farage is press released as they start and then they release nothing when they conclude. There seems to be strong evidence for political bias.

Absolutely. He changed and you could see his upset and anger. Now we know why. The Telegraph article says that Farage believes his neighbour disturbed the attacker. It could have been much worse.
Farage's comments about fearing for his family and needing security were mocked and met with jokes about milkshake.

If the police had caught this nutter after he'd attacked Farage's home, Ann could still be alive.

Good grief. It keeps getting worse doesn't it.

I'm not sure they could whilst the investigation was ongoing. They were (and still are) also investigating their own fuck up of not spotting the firebombing suspect on cctv (who went on to murder Ann Widdecombe) which complicates things.

But, bloody hell!

I don't agree with Farage's politics, but I find myself feeling very sympathetic and sorry for the guy.

He's been repeatedly mocked for asking for security, his risks minimised to the 'milkshake' incident.

And it's become absolutely standard 'for comedians, commentators and ordinary people to shoe-horn in a jibe about the £5million any time there's any comment on money changing hands - not only in politics, but in any context at all.

I admit I'd accepted the narrative, which I now feel pretty bad about.

All the while, there were serious terrorist threats against him... his house was firebombed - which the police originally categorised as a 'burglary' rather than a political attack ffs... and when the police reviewed the cctv from the firebombing, they didn't spot the suspect loitering around... who went on to murder his colleague and friend Ann Widdecombe.

That must have been pretty hard for him to bear.

The £5million is interesting- I hadn't really fully understand the context, despite hearing it was 'for security'.

It seems that before he was elected MP, he was given a temporary security package of 8 people and 2 cars, to reflect the risk he was deemed to be under.

Then when he became an MP in the general election, he was moved onto a standard 'opposition leader' level of security instead of an intelligence-led risk-based one, and lost 75% of his protection. He was offered a single bodyguard and a car and driver

Apparently, it's basically impossible to combine a state package with additional security: the state provided people aren't allowed to share information and cooperate with contractors, and if there's an incident then lines of command are impossible and responsibility is unclear.

So he actually did the only sensible thing possible, by turning down the minimal state offering and accepting money to fund his own 6 person security team with round-the-clock close protection, venue scouting, and crowd management

I hope that with this coming out, the mockery stops, his security is reviewed, and importantly that serious questions are asked about whether there was political bias in the security decisions and/or the policing.

I don't support his party, but it seems that he has been treated shamefully. This diminishes our democracy.

Ik plus he clearly had enough when his dc were brought into it. Didn’t the Home Sec decrease his security funding at some point?

I haven’t followed closely but yes all the stuff about the milkshake and that odious comedian laughing about it being something worse and some applauding it.

And didn’t Starmer / police say it was likely a ‘burglary gone wrong’ for Ann Widdecombe?

Horrible stuff. Fed up with the institutionalised politics where things are stacked against various people.

@CandidLurker
Reading that the 2 men arrested over alleged terror plot against Jews in Manchester entered the UK by small boat. One in 2020 and one in 2023. One was granted asylum and one has a live claim

Will it be possible to deport the one who was granted asylum?

This and the details re the pilot attacking the poor other pilot with an axe in an attempt to do a 9/11 style attack is all annoying me. I’m fed up with the left glossing over all this stuff.

All the hate is coming from left quarters. They can obsess about Farage's motives all they like, he's not plotting to kill anybody, unlike the left, who are gradually killing this country. There's much gaslighting done on MN over women fearing for their safety from asylum seekers. They do the same with the threats to Farage's life. After the reactions to Charlie Kirk and Ann Widdecombe's murders, I'm no longer surprised at the hate that eventually gets shown.

You see this all the time. People seem to think that because they hate someone that person must be causing the hate.

I've never seen such rabid hate as there is for Farage and Trump. It doesn't matter what they think of these men's politics, the level of personal venom is quite concerning. The unsuccessful assassination attempts on Trump turning the hope not hate lot into something I'm glad I don't personally have to deal with in my everyday life. I'd give anyone like that a wide berth.

Far too many people on the Left seem to conflate 'not liking someone's ideas' with the person being subhuman, and deserving of harm and death.

It shows a complete lack of mental flexibility, and a very worrying lack of human connection and moral compass.

I was really shocked and appalled by the comments after Charlie Kirk's assassination. Especially the contrast to how open he was to engaging with the opposite political side, and his clear appreciation of democratic debate. He was another whose views I don't share, but whose right to express them should have been protected.

That's a very astute observation.

Ann was the same in valuing different opinions. You'd never hear her be derogatory about the person holding those beliefs. She was too quick witted and intelligent for that. A marvellous political giant was robbed of her life.

You can manipulate the left because the masses have a lower IQ I was reading somewhere.

Haha so much for them boasting about intellectual hierarchy!

Would explain why some societies don't allow females any formal education. A woman with a fine brain is a pita 😁

Well in any normal country this would happen and the live claim would immediately be cancelled, but this is the UK so there will be legal aid and human rights lawyers on the case in a nano-second.

I think the whole concept/idea asylum needs looking at, and fast, but again can’t see that happening in the UK. We’ve had years of this rubbish and for some reason we cannot seem to stop people arriving on small boats from fully entering society. We need to bar them before the end up entering communities, having to be housed in hotels, HMOs etc, gradually becoming part of the welfare/ healthcare system etc.

Imagery from France looks shocking. News picking up on a man using a flame thrower at a woman’s face.

Honestly people are mad at thinking the EU is what it was, some kind of nostalgia. Fed up with all this violence from the left and / or terrorism.