Labour isn't Working - Thread 41

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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What I’ve found striking on threads about Burnham is the amount of people who seem to think no one should be questioning or being negative or inconvenient at all. Did that apply to Boris’s speeches? Sunak’s? Cameron’s? Even Starmer’s? I don’t think so.

Are we supposed to just stand there and clap him?

Yes I think so. Strange isn't it.

The threads are still mostly Labour and the gushing over Burnham is at a high.

It’s odd to see people so taken in.

I can’t understand how people thought the AB speech was meaty or a game changer - he’s got three years til a GE. He announced almost nothing that isn’t going to be subject to a GE.

i thought it was a good speech as a decent opening to an election campaign, but the timing was off. As I said i thought the punchline was him calling an election.

But no, he’s shuffling deckchairs for three more years whilst he fleshes out electoral reform and care policies.

I think it is more there is small but prolific group of posters on here for whom Burnham can do no wrong. He could introduce a cat tax and they would lap it up.

I see Robert & Steph have done a commentary on AB’s speech from a finance point of view. Will listen to that shortly - they don’t normally pull any punches.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-money/id1703785141?i=1000792474071

Or a cat tax tax 😂

Yes he doesn't have a mandate for any of it, and he isn't brave enough to ask for one. Most of it will probably never happen.
I suppose his supporters feel like they've finally got a socialist government without wanting to recognise that nobody has voted for it.

Thats a good point.

Yes, they will get rid of them.

In a manner of speaking anyway. They can’t go around forcing people to sell their freehold - one hopes - and there are a lot of buildings that function better as a leasehold.

I think the plan is going forward… “Everything” will be shared freehold or commonhold. So that would apply to anything that’s built new. But they say they will make the process of applying for shared freehold easier than it is now.

The main thing I noticed is the proper imposition of a cap on costs. I’ve seen buildings being fleece by management companies, and sometimes they’ve done no work and run off with the money. Those sorts of companies will be more heavily regulated, which is long overdue IMHO.

I could say a lot more about leasehold/freehold, but it would be incredibly boring for all of you. I actually don’t have an issue with leasehold. As ever, it’s the way the law operates around it that causes the problem.

agree on the eu too in terms of France, Germany and Italy all being very divided now, but it does sort of make sense from AB’s pov - electoral reform to ensure left wing centrist coalitions can stay in power, rejoin eu to try and shore up the same left/centre EU wide coalition…I suppose it’s getting towards a clearer offer to voters than KS made, slowly.

Yes it’s going to be a heavy three years with posting re a socialist utopia just over the hill of a GE. Tg for these threads 😅

Any everyday that goes by with Andy not being in hock to the bond markets is pushing our interest rates up and up. 6% and rising. Way above the rates when it was called "crashing the economy" will Labour take the same action to bring it back under control?

Yes that’s really something to see.

He wants to promise a whole load of freebies aka the ‘National Care Service’ but the markets see £ spending.

Is it the equivalent to a meal once a week who knows. Selling to a gullible public means the markets see the same stuff and react.

If he keeps ignoring the bond markets the impact will be felt for generations.

There are already increasing number of threads on here with people realising how much their mortgage is going to up when their current fixed rate ends. With the tax rises kicking in it at the same time is going to be a horror show. But hey bus fairs will be £2

It's very Trumpish

I know a builder, well his wife really, she's nice, he's an accountant who swerved into building when he saw the books of his builder clients. He's built three housing estates all leasehold. He's mates with many celebrities now because of his home in the Algarve

. The family spent the whole school holidays abroad, st tropez, Nice, Venice, Portugal.

He's just put in planning for two more estates the labour government are bankrolling him to get it as housing association homes. He'll oblige and reap the benefits for years to come.

He's a very affable man. That's why.

Listening to a very brave victim Jade who waived her anonymity to speak out about early release, her voice is wobbling. I could cry for her and others.

The pendulum has swung so far the other way re anti men by today's feminists as exhibited on mn that genuinely dangerous men are being released. We've thrown the baby out with the bath water. 🙈

The UK’s reliance on imported energy, as well as weak public finances, make us particularly vulnerable to BOE hikes. Debt servicing is second only to health.

Next MPC is on 5th November i.e. after the budget, alas. Swaps are pricing four hikes prior end of 2027.

Should prove interesting amongst the electorate…

I think most people pleased or at least relieved to have a conviction politician heading our country again. I am Tory but he has to be better for the country than [I'm not really interested in politics] Starmer. Comparing that speech to Neil Kinnock laying into Militant at Bournemouth conference (1985) is over egging it I think.

Prof John Curtice to head Commission on Election reform is a good idea.

May I ask why you think Burnham has to be a better politician than Starmer?

And is a better politician what the UK needs?