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Is life always this crappy

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sincerestwonders · Today 13:43

Any one else feel like this but I dunno why my life has been just so hard lately for me and my 17 1/2 year old daughter. Last year I felt completely different, this year I feel burnt out and just bored and unmotivated. I have a guy who keeps coming in and out my life he works abroad so he isnt a stable presence but I feel stuck and dunno if any of you have similar life experience or advice as that would be so useful.
My daughter has not been to school since age 8. I chose not to keep her in school because of some of the things we encountered in her school such as staff pinning kids down in isolation rooms as a punishment and like harming "bad" kids by restraining them in the classroom, which I did not want my young daughter to see or felt was appropriate.
She has been home educated since then. At the minute she has 2 gcses, a 9 in Spanish and 8 in computing/ICT. Her maths and english skills are quite subpar to be honest. She is a good speller, yet struggles with reading long books and guessing the "intention" of authors which is what a lot of GCSE is about. Her maths is reasonable and probably key stage 3 level, not the best but GCSE math standards are so high these days. In the last year she has done a cookery course, several language courses, business administration basics and we were asked to do an art course which she bloody hates and has no artistic talent really but we are 3/5 of the way through that and she just cant think of ideas and hates it and obviously wishes she was doing something else. The obvious thing to do next is driving, but the theory test I dont quite know how to study for it seen as I havent driven since I was in my 20s cos we live in an urban area where we can bus walk everywhere. The other thing I struggle with is deciding on the gold DOFE program. She has done it for 18 months, did all sections and loved the volunteering element. Its done all bits except the Expedition, and honestly how is a weeks walking, eating garbage and carrying a 20kg bag up a mountain useful to the development of a young person? This isnt the 1940s. We originally did this with a dofe open award center. She attended 2 training days. On the first one she was assigned to a team of 5 other girls, all of whom were friends from that posh arse Hills Road college in Cambridge. They ignored and excluded my already friendless daughter and walked ahead. My daughter is 5ft 4 70kg and is not unfit, she does swimming and dance, but no way can she walk 20 miles a day like they suggested with a back breaking Army bergen. The idiots said the expedition was to take place in summer. Considering the heatwaves we have had its a recipe for sun stroke, burns and nausea. On the second day she asked whether she could have a parent see her at a particular point of the day or night as she is high anxiety and gets sick when away overnight from parents she can stay at nanas house without us but it seems being away at night without parents presence is traumatic for her. She went to mendip activity center last year and being away led to panic attacks and a drinking episode. They said no,okay, but I dont think they care about her needs. The food is another troubling element. They suggested eating those gross ration pack boil in a bag meals. My daughter wont eat them preferring fresh foods, and wouldnt eat any with meat in them due to concern of quality. She would have to handle bottle gas, flames, putting up a tent, no contact even a mobile phone with parents, possible injury, carrying own excrement, managing herself miles from anywhere at 17 YEARS OLD what is this SAS basic training? We had her walk 10ks every week, every time her feet would begin to blister and bleed she has size 3 feet for context with the bag on so I decided to leave that centre and look at these expensive private expeditions on canoes but she wont do that either. This has led to a lot of arguments with me and her dad who the dad says stop pushing and she has done enough already. The final issue is she obviously doesnt want to go to uni next year but she just cant think of what job/career to do and seems to have lost interest in anything. Sorry to rant but any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

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DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 14:29

Mirrorxxx · Today 14:14

8 gcses is not a lot. It’s not being a snob to expect a very basic level of education.

My DD2 only has Maths and English GCSE at a 4.

What do you say to that?

Justploddingonandon · Today 14:29

The DoE center should have mixed up the groups better, though they may have been limited by who signed up or not realised the rest already knew each other. The rest is all on you, my 14 year old DS would've no issue with most of this as he was in scouts. I'm not saying she had to do that but what extra-curriculars did she do while being homeschooled as it seems her world was very limited. Who's idea was DoE, it's not for everyone.
I have a SEN daughter who really struggles in school, and who I will seriously look at homeschooling if she doesn't get a suitable high school place, so I do have some idea where you're coming form and how hard it can be, but if we go down that route I will make sure she does at least some clubs.
I'm actually surprised she got an 8 in GCSE computing but struggles with maths, as maths underpins a lot of it. How did she only end up with 2 GCSEs? In the absence of SEN this seems very low for someone who was being educated full time (in fact home education should cover more as one thing you are right about is a lot of time in school is spent on crowd control and behaviour management).
I would let her go to college now. You may find they only do the foundation papers for English and Maths as they're mostly looking to get DC who failed first time a pass and there's no need for anything higher, but this would be better than nothing. Also check the rules around further education, DC usually have to complete it before they're 19 if they don't have an EHCP, though not sure if starting late changes this.

MyKindHiker · Today 14:29

sincerestwonders · Today 14:25

I have just done what I thought is best for her considering my life circumstances. Unstable fathers, child of anxious disposition, witnessing violence at school, losing my job twice since she was little, trying to keep my head above water...

Out of 5 reasons you just listed only one of them was a her reason. The others are all you reasons. Sorry I'm going to check out now as this could end up a pile on and that won't help you. But I really hope your family gets the support you need. Perhaps engage social services.

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MyKindHiker · Today 14:31

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 14:29

My DD2 only has Maths and English GCSE at a 4.

What do you say to that?

Edited

I imagine she doesn't care because why would she.

Her comment was in response to the OP referencing that school specifically as snobby.

This thread is about the OP and her kid, not you.

Meadowfinch · Today 14:31

sincerestwonders · Today 14:22

Uni- its her choice. Im not pushing her to go. I said its probably best to go when shes 21. I am just about to begin functional skills maths for her. Shes born march 2009 for context.

Why are you doing it? And in isolation again. Enrol her in a college this year to do a mix of 6 GCSEs and then step back. She has to do it herself, not you.

You need to let go !!

Mirrorxxx · Today 14:33

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 14:29

My DD2 only has Maths and English GCSE at a 4.

What do you say to that?

Edited

Do you think people with more gcses are snobby? If not the comment wasn’t for you

Justploddingonandon · Today 14:33

sincerestwonders · Today 14:28

She has quite a few hobbies: used to enjoy making her own magazines and comics, blogging, baking etc. We used to have a dog which she happily trained and walked most days. She now seems to have a passion for Languages

What stands out to me there is that these are all solitary activities, does she have friends?

Anothercake · Today 14:34

Chunkybabythighs · Today 14:04

You keep posting about her and this bloody d of e expedition op. You've ruined her life, she has no maths or English GCSEs and neither of you can figure out how to study for or book a driving theory test?! And you claim to have provided her a full home education? How can she go to uni with 2 GCSEs?

This. You keep posting about how life has been so bad for you, but then have made some absolutely shocking decisions! No worthwhile education and an obsession with D of E.

WestwardHo1 · Today 14:36

But you don't appear to have educated your daughter. How did you possibly imagine she will get into university?

Words fail me on the D of E part.

It seems as though you are content to say "It's ok darling, you don't have to do ANYTHING you don't want to do"

FFS. How do you imagine she will cope with adulthood?

BugJuice · Today 14:37

Naurrr · Today 13:58

There was a post a while ago by someone who was angry with the duke of Edinburgh award and wanted her daughter to be allowed to cheat.

Send your teenager to school and forget the Duke of Edinburgh thing, it's 100% optional.

This was also posted yesterday.

LittlePetitePsychopath · Today 14:38

sincerestwonders · Today 14:28

She has quite a few hobbies: used to enjoy making her own magazines and comics, blogging, baking etc. We used to have a dog which she happily trained and walked most days. She now seems to have a passion for Languages

All of her hobbies are isolated things.

You didn't go to uni but think you'll go later, as you regret not going - but you're pushing your daughter to go later, too. Not as late as you, but 21 year olds are unusual at uni. Most people go at 18/19. She's not done anything "in time" since she was 8.

Taking her out of school might have been the right choice, but you knew then that you were taking her away from a social system, too. Why didn't you go mad with clubs and meet ups? They are everywhere for home-ed children, because you really, really have to work hard at the social skills side, and the longer that you don't, the bigger and more scary it gets. It's no surprise that she's anxious and struggling now. There's a whole part of her life that 99% of people her age have done, and she's had no replacement at all, and she's also only got 2 GCSEs.

It's going to be a rough path back to normality from here. Wanting to go to Europe isn't much of a goal - she'd need a visa to work there, and that's tough to get since Brexit, and she's not going to be that attractive as a candidate over people with better education and more experience. Jobs are hard to come by.

You seem to have winged your way through rather than planning her an education with an outcome at the end, and now you're all paying for that. Randomly lobbing her into the Gold DoE expedition was bizarre. It IS hard, and there's nothing that you've said about your daughter which makes her stand out as someone who would enjoy that challenge...

You need to work out realistic options now. It may be that you need to look into what resources you can get for higher ed home education so she can get more GCSEs, or that she goes to college now, with support. She doesn't need to know what she wants to do for a career but she does need to understand her options and what she needs to get there...

I'm sure you've made decisions that you thought were best at the time, but she's now going to need to standardise a bit.

Rosecoffeecup · Today 14:38

Fucking hell its a bit rich for you to say you want to go to uni and you haven't even given your daughter the basics to facilitate her going if she wanted to

CeciliaMars · Today 14:38

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

As I said, I went to Hills Road. I’m not posh. I went to a decent state school with good teachers and I worked hard.

3WildOnes · Today 14:40

I come from a church background where lots of families home educate their children very successfully so I think it can work very well if there are also lots of opportunities to socialise and mix with other children. However, all of my friends who were home schooled enrolled in college at 16. So my advice would be to get her enrolled in a level 2 course at a college ASAP, she can then do her English and maths GCSE alongside. I would ring around all local colleges today to see which courses still have space. At the moment she lacks the resilience needed to take on the gold DofE expedition and your attitude has not helped. There is nothing wrong with the expidition.

MiddleAgedDread · Today 14:42

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

8 GCSEs is NORMAL!! it's your child who isn't, probably because of the way you've brought her up.

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Shesafancyflapjack · Today 14:43

If you are home educating there are lots of academic and social networks that you could have connected with over the past 9 years, it sounds like you didn’t do that and she has been impacted by that omission. As others have said, maths and English are essential for access to HE and employment, this should be her main focus right now, it will also allow her to develop her social skills and mix with her peers. The DofE experience should be a wake up call for you, and I wish her well in getting back on track.

Onwards2627 · Today 14:43

sincerestwonders · Today 14:00

Everyone says I'm a bad, overprotective parent and Im sick of it. I think taking my daughter out of the pressure and anxiety of school was the best thing to do given circumstance she has had a comprehensive home education to 16 and has done some specialist courses. I am aware she needs more of a social life but she has suffered high anxiety as a kid around school, puberty, her emotions, extreme pressure and demand.

"Everyone says I'm a bad, overprotective parent and Im sick of it."

If everyone keeps telling you the same thing, maybe you should listen?

NotPerfectlyAdverage · Today 14:45

My severely rustic son and my extremely dyspraxic son did DofE in their SEN schools. I don't think they loved it, but it's was a experience for them.

But both have friends in their schools so the ability to suck it up was helped by being in good company. I get that it's hard but zero concessions on the kit was made for them and they did complete it

Moveoverdarlin · Today 14:48

Sorry to be harsh…but you’ve spoiled her, to the point you’ve ruined her.

And I wholeheartedly believe taking her out of school has caused all of this.

Wake up, she isn’t going to uni anytime soon, she has 2 GCSES! She needs another 8, then two years of A Levels THEN uni.

I think she’d struggle to get a job too. Spanish and IT at GCSE level won’t open many doors.

My 7 year old knows English and Maths are the two important subjects you need to really work at.

A good friend of mine home schools and I can see her children have many similarities with your child.

In the main, schools are wonderful for a child’s development. They were 50 years ago, and they still are today.

SquidgyPudge · Today 14:48

Your disordered, anxious thinking is ruining your daughter's life. Please seek help for it. Let her go to college and be a normal kid. Isolating her with home education, (which clearly wasn't successful since she has done so badly), and thinking maybe uni only at 21 is not normal. You have caused her to be anxious because of your own past and how badly you have dealt with it.

AllTheToddlers · Today 14:55

Chunkybabythighs · Today 14:04

You keep posting about her and this bloody d of e expedition op. You've ruined her life, she has no maths or English GCSEs and neither of you can figure out how to study for or book a driving theory test?! And you claim to have provided her a full home education? How can she go to uni with 2 GCSEs?

I was going g to ask how she can go to uni knowing 2 GCSE’s and I also felt I recognised the op before from the d of e stuff. I really think college would be good for her. And going on a group course where everyone knows each other will always be hard. Exotic home schooled and no social input.

@sincerestwonders do you work/leave the house?

Toomuchcoffeethismorning · Today 14:56

I know it's way too late but how come you didn't switch schools?

I'm not against homeschooling but you need to put yourself in homeschooling groups and let her mix with other homeschool kids at meet ups etc

As others have said the maths and English is so important, she should definitely be going to college to prioritize this.and hopefully make some friends

SilverPink · Today 14:56

You can barely get down the road these days without a maths and English GCSE, she won’t be getting into uni anytime soon. Your poor daughter. I feel you’ve kept her at home all these years for your sake, not for hers.

Grumblegrumblegrumble · Today 14:56

Has she had an sustained social interactions with peers in the last 10 years? I have an send child currently out of school but luckily she has been able to maintain friendships. I know fair few people who home ed and there kids go meet ups or having hobbies and ‘after school’ activities.

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