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Is life always this crappy

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sincerestwonders · Today 13:43

Any one else feel like this but I dunno why my life has been just so hard lately for me and my 17 1/2 year old daughter. Last year I felt completely different, this year I feel burnt out and just bored and unmotivated. I have a guy who keeps coming in and out my life he works abroad so he isnt a stable presence but I feel stuck and dunno if any of you have similar life experience or advice as that would be so useful.
My daughter has not been to school since age 8. I chose not to keep her in school because of some of the things we encountered in her school such as staff pinning kids down in isolation rooms as a punishment and like harming "bad" kids by restraining them in the classroom, which I did not want my young daughter to see or felt was appropriate.
She has been home educated since then. At the minute she has 2 gcses, a 9 in Spanish and 8 in computing/ICT. Her maths and english skills are quite subpar to be honest. She is a good speller, yet struggles with reading long books and guessing the "intention" of authors which is what a lot of GCSE is about. Her maths is reasonable and probably key stage 3 level, not the best but GCSE math standards are so high these days. In the last year she has done a cookery course, several language courses, business administration basics and we were asked to do an art course which she bloody hates and has no artistic talent really but we are 3/5 of the way through that and she just cant think of ideas and hates it and obviously wishes she was doing something else. The obvious thing to do next is driving, but the theory test I dont quite know how to study for it seen as I havent driven since I was in my 20s cos we live in an urban area where we can bus walk everywhere. The other thing I struggle with is deciding on the gold DOFE program. She has done it for 18 months, did all sections and loved the volunteering element. Its done all bits except the Expedition, and honestly how is a weeks walking, eating garbage and carrying a 20kg bag up a mountain useful to the development of a young person? This isnt the 1940s. We originally did this with a dofe open award center. She attended 2 training days. On the first one she was assigned to a team of 5 other girls, all of whom were friends from that posh arse Hills Road college in Cambridge. They ignored and excluded my already friendless daughter and walked ahead. My daughter is 5ft 4 70kg and is not unfit, she does swimming and dance, but no way can she walk 20 miles a day like they suggested with a back breaking Army bergen. The idiots said the expedition was to take place in summer. Considering the heatwaves we have had its a recipe for sun stroke, burns and nausea. On the second day she asked whether she could have a parent see her at a particular point of the day or night as she is high anxiety and gets sick when away overnight from parents she can stay at nanas house without us but it seems being away at night without parents presence is traumatic for her. She went to mendip activity center last year and being away led to panic attacks and a drinking episode. They said no,okay, but I dont think they care about her needs. The food is another troubling element. They suggested eating those gross ration pack boil in a bag meals. My daughter wont eat them preferring fresh foods, and wouldnt eat any with meat in them due to concern of quality. She would have to handle bottle gas, flames, putting up a tent, no contact even a mobile phone with parents, possible injury, carrying own excrement, managing herself miles from anywhere at 17 YEARS OLD what is this SAS basic training? We had her walk 10ks every week, every time her feet would begin to blister and bleed she has size 3 feet for context with the bag on so I decided to leave that centre and look at these expensive private expeditions on canoes but she wont do that either. This has led to a lot of arguments with me and her dad who the dad says stop pushing and she has done enough already. The final issue is she obviously doesnt want to go to uni next year but she just cant think of what job/career to do and seems to have lost interest in anything. Sorry to rant but any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

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Naurrr · Today 14:14

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

...is 8 GCSEs not just the bare minimum? Confused

Autumnallaround · Today 14:14

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

Snobs? A college of 5000 students is not full of snobs.

Mirrorxxx · Today 14:14

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

8 gcses is not a lot. It’s not being a snob to expect a very basic level of education.

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CeciliaMars · Today 14:14

Poor girl. I feel so sorry for how her life has gone. Incidentally, I went to ‘posh arse’ Hills Road. It’s not surprising 5 girls who all knew each other didn’t immediately bond with a random girl chucked into their group. I am not against home education per se, but your post exemplifies everything that can go wrong with it, academically and socially. I am not sure from your original post what you are actually asking...

RomeoRivers · Today 14:14

What a mess. Your poor child.

Get her into college asap to get her English + Maths GCSEs. Hopefully she will also make friend there.

You talk about her as though she were 8?! Can’t be away from parents, can’t touch a gas bottle, can’t walk up a hill, can’t eat food if it’s not fresh…. This is really not normal.

sincerestwonders · Today 14:15

Ceciliamars
Look at it from her pov

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Meadowfinch · Today 14:18

OK, you are where you are so the best steps from now are to get her into college doing maths, English and anything else they offer that she fancies.

Until she has those, quite simply she won't get a job in retail or admin or languages, the best she can hope for is minimum wage manual stuff. At college she can learn how to deal with other people and the normal stresses of daily life - which are NORMAL - let her get on with them.

Hopefully they will also have a careers officer who will help her.

sincerestwonders · Today 14:18

I did education to A level and did temp work/data entry. In the 2000s the push to go to uni was bigger than it is today and it was rare for 18 year olds not to go. I was the minority for not going. I regret not going, and will probably go when my daughters left home

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lifeisgoodrightnow · Today 14:19

sincerestwonders · Today 14:11

Yes, i am a registered home educator. I provide 6 hours of learning 5 days a week and work part time

Badly

Autumnallaround · Today 14:19

@sincerestwonders i think we are all looking at it from her POV.

She isn't going to do well or make friends when the person who should be encouraging and cheerleading for her, stops her from developing resilience at every turn.

So she doesn't like the food at DofE? A cheerful 'oh well, you won't starve' is a better place to start, rather than removing her from the situation. She clearly wanted to give it a go. Your job as a parent is not to remove the barriers she faces but teach her how to go around them.

FrogsAtDawn · Today 14:19

There’s a DVSA theory test phone app that goes through everything she will need to know for the theory. As for the rest, the main goal should be to get her English and maths gcse as she will struggle to do any HE or work without that. She’s nearly at the age when most are finishing A levels and going off to uni, so it doesn’t seem like the current strategy is working if she’s so far behind without any SEN.

Missohnoyoubetterdont · Today 14:19

But you have failed your child for not getting her the basics in English and maths! You really can’t do anything much without these two subjects. Certainly no university. And pulling your child away from school, her peers, friends, has taken away any chance of her being social, learning resilience and tackling the anxiety. You can’t just hide a child away, you will make the anxiety worse.

sincerestwonders · Today 14:20

She loved the other bits of the dofe, but just felt repelled by her experience of the expedition training. Of course I want her to do it. Its just I wasnt impressed with that centres attitude to protecting a vulnerable teenager

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Deadleaves77 · Today 14:20

sincerestwonders · Today 14:02

I said when she is 18 she can go to college or work, but now I wonder whether to just let her go to college, because she has high anxiety and poor social skills. She has been bullied at primary school and just struggled as a kid to adapt to the school environment.

Obviously she has high anxiety and poor social skills, shes essentially been out of society for 9 years. You havent given her the opportunity to develop these skills, and even when shes doing things that will be good for her to build those skills, like the DofE you keep pulling her out.

8 GCSEs is quite a normal amount for children going to uni, which it sounds like you want for your DD.

Chunkybabythighs · Today 14:21

sincerestwonders · Today 14:20

She loved the other bits of the dofe, but just felt repelled by her experience of the expedition training. Of course I want her to do it. Its just I wasnt impressed with that centres attitude to protecting a vulnerable teenager

She's not vulnerable, she's been stunted by you for nearly a decade so has no idea how to function in life!

MyKindHiker · Today 14:22

sincerestwonders · Today 14:00

Everyone says I'm a bad, overprotective parent and Im sick of it. I think taking my daughter out of the pressure and anxiety of school was the best thing to do given circumstance she has had a comprehensive home education to 16 and has done some specialist courses. I am aware she needs more of a social life but she has suffered high anxiety as a kid around school, puberty, her emotions, extreme pressure and demand.

I hear that you say that taking her out of school was the best thing to do but - I say this with absolute gentleness - it doesn't seem to be working out very well? She's very anxious, doesn't have any friends, doesn't have any resilience. She's miles behind academically and whilst you reference uni I'm not sure if either you or she are aware this won't be possible with the qualifications she currently has? You say she's fit but at 17 she should be able to walk 10k - my 8 year old and all his mates could do this.

I'm not really sure what advice you are after as it seems you're very happy with the choices you've made for her, and the reality is you'll need to do a lot of unpicking to get her anywhere near where she'll need to be for adulthood. But I imagine you don't want that? I imagine you want to be told there is an easy fix?

Candidly given you don't appear to have had many expectations or pressures on her for the last decade it's no wonder she has given up on trying at anything.

sincerestwonders · Today 14:22

Uni- its her choice. Im not pushing her to go. I said its probably best to go when shes 21. I am just about to begin functional skills maths for her. Shes born march 2009 for context.

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Funnys · Today 14:24

sincerestwonders · Today 14:13

Hills Road is for uni bound middle class snobs. You have to have like 8 gcses to get in.

oh dear...

Deadleaves77 · Today 14:24

sincerestwonders · Today 14:20

She loved the other bits of the dofe, but just felt repelled by her experience of the expedition training. Of course I want her to do it. Its just I wasnt impressed with that centres attitude to protecting a vulnerable teenager

The gold expedition is hard. Thats the point. The point is to demonstrate that you can plan, and execute hard things. You cant have mum and dad pop in with a home cooked dinner every night, that negates the point.

No one has to do DofE, but its a shame she got so far and instead of being encouraged to overcome some difficulties youve enabled her to give up.

sincerestwonders · Today 14:25

I have just done what I thought is best for her considering my life circumstances. Unstable fathers, child of anxious disposition, witnessing violence at school, losing my job twice since she was little, trying to keep my head above water...

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DoNoTakeNo · Today 14:26

”Protecting a vulnerable teenager”
You do realise that it is you who has made her so, don’t you?

If you’re providing 6 hours of eduction 5 days per week, what has she been doing for the other 18 hours per day and at weekends?

MyKindHiker · Today 14:27

sincerestwonders · Today 14:02

I said when she is 18 she can go to college or work, but now I wonder whether to just let her go to college, because she has high anxiety and poor social skills. She has been bullied at primary school and just struggled as a kid to adapt to the school environment.

The thing is, most people get bullied at some point or other in primary school. Especially girls where who is queen bee rotates from one week to the next. But because you pulled her out, that was then the defining experience of her life - that she got bullied - so she'll have seen herself as a victim for the rest of her life.

I really really hope you manage to fix this. I cannot imagine your poor daughter's mental health, having been denied all the formative experiences her peers have. Because that's the thing, we all have horrible experiences in school from time to time, but they are balanced out by the great times of laughing so hard with our friends we squirt juice out of our noses, or are in assemblies together, or skip class and sneak out to get McDonalds... all those experiences which make children into adults.

sincerestwonders · Today 14:28

She has quite a few hobbies: used to enjoy making her own magazines and comics, blogging, baking etc. We used to have a dog which she happily trained and walked most days. She now seems to have a passion for Languages

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