Labour isn't Working - Thread 40

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 🥀

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I read what Peter Hitchens said and he was absolutely right. I don't think most people realised the danage they'd do or that once they were in, they might be impossible to get rid of. Labour only care about what's best for them, not what's best for the country.

Too right. There were voices on here who said that Starmer was a dud, there is no talent or useful experience in the Labour Party, that most cabinet ministers were liabilities, that tax would be hiked whatever misleading noises Labour made about it before the election, etc etc.

Bloody hell, the abuse handed out by the Labour MN praetorian guard!

The doubters were right and the Labour shouters were wrong. That is now a matter of fact.

I see less overt bigging up of Burnham, though there’s still some. I think that’s because we all know we’re in the shit now so that backing Burnham is a massive hostage to fortune, and even on a tribal level he was such a snake in the grass and is so patently performative as a PM that you’d have to be a Burnham fanatic to sing his praises.

Ha I laughed, you put it well.

A yes the Labour guard were ridiculous pre GE and since.

...and is so patently performative as a PM that you’d have to be a Burnham fanatic to sing his praises.

But you'd at least have Burnham on guitar as your band! 🎸 🤣

I was around in Wilson's time yes we had rolling blackouts mums had to work around. The nums this morning were thinking in days not hours. It's so bloody depressing.

Phillipson is surely one of the most depressing politicians we’ve yet to endure. She could crush the growth out of anything. That spite and envy is lethal.

True. But it’s a three-way contest between Burnham strumming, Starmer tooting the flute or Corbyn singing a Peruvian revolutionary folk song. 🤔

If the timeline had been different, it could be said JK Rowling created the dementor character based on Phillipson. Ghastly woman.

Merz seems to be having his own Starmer moment. Each side taking his party’s votes.

So true. I'm glad she's no longer education sec, although I don't like her in her current position either.

Merz won't survive these results. The chickens are coming home to roost.

Exit poll

I'm not so sure he's on a clean run .
How many groups have they alienated ?

Definatly ! Crushing is a good description !

Regarding Mathew Syed who is a outstanding journalist . He is also probably the best Table Tennis Player the United Kingdom has ever produced. However, what is interesting about him is that he is now Conservative having stood for Labour I think in 2001 . This, itself highlights what has happened to the Labour Party and more to the direction the Country has gone In. Mathew Syed is very descriptive when he talks about the extreme 'Socialism' employed by the current Labour Party and the almost completely 360 Degree turn from the ideas and principles of the 1997 Labour Party! In essence the Conservative Party or the political right are more in tune to the 1997 Labour Party then the actual "Labour Party" Go figure what that actually means.

Well this is explains a lot:

https://www.openweb.com/share/3Jbwqd7mrJ8vWwb7X9ah8ICuob3

This is just so depressing

@DinnerinfrontoftheTV I can’t read that I can’t access it

But the headline figure does not chime at all with what I have heard - generally Western Europe has a problem I think.

Also, if you google the figures for disability benefits or equivalent in those countries, you do not get this figure.

And then you put it together with this:

One in three 15-year-olds say they ‘hardly ever’ leave their room

https://www.thetimes.com/article/0efe6693-2bec-4f2a-917b-8a1959f6df39?shareToken=18a95ca7f2bf9e5a4f7799921c3c0610

and we are funnelling people from school onto benefits and a life consuming content on social media.

Here you go:

Half of Labour MPs at risk of backlash over benefit cuts

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-mps-pip-benefits-disability-welfare-andy-burnham-bgxb2s35d

Yes you can tell Labour are priming for policies around welfare and some are getting jumpy on here, the usual lashing out. Burnham won’t want a backlash again so is pitch rolling.

@DinnerinfrontoftheTV thank you
I can’t read that either, but thanks for trying

Googled the headline and I think I’ve got the gist of it

So this is the story about benefits and Labour majorities an individual constituencies

I vaguely heard about that yesterday

(it’s amazing how much news you hear when you’re not actually looking for it)

had a quick look at this on AI in terms of other countries

I suspect one reason why that figure for other countries is coming out so low, the one mentioned in a previous post, is that they are structurally different so there’s a big difference in what counts as a disability benefit and what’s paid for by the state and what’s paid for by insurance. We seem to have some baked in problems here, that’s for sure. If Western Europe are also worried about their welfare figures, that’s really something.

Sorry, Safire, I must have run out of tokens.

@DinnerinfrontoftheTV don’t worry I’m not really supposed to be on here anyway 😂

I’m just really tired this evening and ended up coming on here by default!

@SapphireCasino Any good?

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