Labour isn't Working - Thread 40

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 🥀

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Cretinous Labour.

The current 2m mansion tax simply drove down asset values by its very implementation, meaning less revenue for the exchequer from 2028 - of course, Labour didn’t model that, I’ll bet. Now, with the 1.5m, they will simple continue to drive down asset values.

All this against a backdrop of tightening monetary policy, which, yep, you guessed it moves inversely to asset values - driving them down further.

It really is a race to the bottom, thanks to the socialists.

I had both my grandchildren here yesterday, aged 12 and 18 months. Both their mothers were talking about maintaining good childcare whilst working, and working just enough to make it worthwhile. I choose not to work for seven years when they were young.
Both children played on the floor of a warm house, ate raspberries bought by nana, and from comfortable, well parented beginnings should have a happy and prosperous future ahead of them.
I cant get it out of my mind that it might all be very different for them.

And I’ve just seen this:
A £25 basket of shopping six years ago is now 50.2% more expensive

https://www.dailymail.com/home/index.html

To be honest, I’m not sure that Labour has any coherent view of what the bad and counterproductive effects of its tax rises have been and will be. They must either close their minds to warnings or they do hear and understand the warnings but just don’t care.

The second explanation looks to me to be much the more likely. As things stand with Labour the urge to spend public money and never rein it in is overwhelming. As a philosophy it’s a perverted sense of ‘doing good’ (and of nauseating self-righteousness) and as a practical matter the more astute and aware Labour MPs who make it to ministerial posts and who might sound the alarm can’t do anything about the mass of self-regarding fools on the Labour backbenches.

McFadden’s comment to Mandelson that - in his exact written words - “Every meeting I have is 'who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others'” shows the sorry truth about present Labour.

After they reduce the threshold to £1.5m, they will then reduce it to £1m … and so on.

Something similar happened with the lifetime allowance on pensions (LTA)

However there is hope ! The LTA was eventually scrapped. It was done just in time to benefit Nick Joicey …. who happens to be the husband of Rachel Reeves.

Labour are such complete grifters.

I was just listening to some radio chat and someone mentioned GE rumours circulating. That annoyed me.

Burnham’s first take was he knew we didn’t want a GE. Just concentrate on getting people through the winter we’re about to have. Not bloody politicking again.

Just concentrate on getting people through the winter we’re about to have.

Crickets from our govt on this. Other European leaders trying to be proactive. The global news on Russia, oil, diesel and future energy problems is worrying, yet nothing from Burnham. Very little in UK MSM either. Why?

Kemi Badenoch has accused Andy Burnham of “fiddling while Europe is at risk of burning” as Russia intensifies its hybrid war against the West.The leader of the Conservatives said the Prime Minister should not “dither and delay” and called for “proper” funding of defence.She said the Government must stop acting as if Britain was living in a “carefree” world and called on Mr Burnham to “get serious”.Mrs Badenoch’s intervention comes after European leaders warned this week that Vladimir Putin was accelerating his hybrid warfare against European allies of Ukraine, with a growing number of drone incursions, cyber attacks, propaganda and even a threat of missile strikes.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/54e1b2449b410fcd

Labour seem more focused on their own political survival more than actual issues. As you say crickets.

A benefits cheat who owes the taxpayer an estimated £200,000 was allowed to flee the UK after police investigating him for rape failed to prevent him from leaving the country.

Ndumbe was on bail at the time, having been arrested on suspicion of rape by Greater Manchester police. He was released under investigation, but allowed to keep his passport. He is believed to have flown from Manchester airport to Cameroon in January.

While out of the country, Ndumbe was also claiming up to £200 a month in personal independence payment (Pip) for mental health problems and a “bad back”, according to sources with knowledge of his case.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3ca631df-b146-418c-b88a-835d7ac99cd4?shareToken=fb8f0bd2443a43b1759a8ca3171a14aa

Its weird though how this is being largely ignored, also by the media. We have huge problems inbound, but nothing.
Macron was meeting with opposition leaders on the crisis, yet again crickets here.

Lib Dems asking for a tax cut to fuel duty. Let’s see if Labour listen to people on that.

I increasingly think there will be an election in the first half of 2027, possibly quite early. The signals are starting.

I never believed Burnham when he recently said that he wouldn’t go early. Because you can’t believe anything he says. He’s just a self-interested chancer who’ll say anything that suits him in the moment.

He calculates that Reform are somewhere near the lowest they are likely to be and that the Tories will only recover in the longer term. An ‘understanding’ with the LibDems would quite likely see him back in office, though with big Labour losses and an angry party.

The most dangerous near-term event for Burnham is market turmoil. He will need to tread carefully. Watch for yet more left-wing crap from his mouth and pathetic ‘symbolic’ measures, contrasted with feeble and fearful actions where it actually matters.

Excellent piece by Matthew Syed in today's Times on Merkel and the rise of the AfD. Well worth a read with a Sunday morning coffee.

www.thetimes.com/article/61cae745-68b4-43df-93e3-304d9f41bd47?shareToken=c8262c693c2a704a64e61773878702d9

Doubtful, but if they do, it will be too little too late.
There may be no diesel left to tax.

So depressing. Burnham either believes in the policies he’s selling in or not. Such a chancer.

@Nuthatch26true.

I've never been more affected by politics than I have since labour won the election. I just feel so angry, worried and depressed about the future.

If a general election is called and Labour win, which they probably will because they'll fiddle it to make sure they win and with the millions of benefit scroungers with multiple kids who will vote for them, then this country is gone for good. With the constant influx of immigrants they're bringing in, who'll be future Labour voters, Labour will be in power for good. I can't believe what's happening to this country.

I hate Labour with a passion. I cant even watch or listen to the likes of Burnham, Phillipson, Mahmood or any Labour politician without feeling physically repulsed.

The Irish government this week swore in 6000 citizens as Irish. . It's mad quite mad.

Two mums in Tesco this morning. Doing a prepper shop. I was in the cans aisle I should add. They were swapping advice on what to get in. One mum said I don't know where I'm going to store it. The other mum said use a Sharpie and write on the top date of purchase so it doesn't go out of date.

Thank you, @Nuthatch26. That's a well-observed, as well as very depressing, essay. Looking back at their trail of destruction and apparent attack on British values since they were elected, it seems to me Labour's values are more fifth column than socialist.

I do this with a sharpie, but I write the use by date. Much easier to rotate when you can see the date easily.
I'm glad more people are taking it seriously.

The levelling down gets to me. Everything must be trounced and hammered. Can’t stand them.

I don't think anyone (apart from the journalist, Peter Hitchens, who warned people who intended to Labour had no idea what they were voting for) really expected the horrendous impact of their policies on our way of life.

At the time of the election a friend of ours, a headmaster of a high-achieving establishment, stated it was unlikely Labour's success would have any effect on the man in the street. "Life will go on." I've lost count of the times he's had cause to eat those words.

I don't know. I think those of us who are now on these threads had an idea. There were a fair few MNers generally saying they'd be diabolical, but were shouted down by the usual suspects.

The global situation is appalling, but Labour is doing / saying nothing to show that it understands people's concerns or that they'll at least try some mitigation.