Misandry and Mumsnet

[estrogone]

Is it acceptable to hate on men openly without apology? Would it be ok of it were the other way round.

As a woman and mother of sons, the attitudes and comments on MN border on hate speech and I think Mumsnet HQ should do something about it.

Is this really how we want to balance the scales?

E: spelling

I once had a username that could have been viewed as being a male one (didn’t realise at the time I made it, in fact I thought it was genius from the pov of being a woman!). Only had it two or three weeks as I was torn to shreds on anything I commented on (special mention for me joking about cleaning killing me when I got jumped on with comment after comment because my poor wife had to put up with me etc etc). I even got one or two private messages (although other pms I’ve gotten from men when I had other names that made me leave a while were worse so😅) It really gave me an insight into proper man hating. I regularly defend and have grown to hate that I say not all men but i know some of the loveliest men and I think if everyone only saw and assumed the bad in all men we’d be even worse off, people might never know what it’s like to be with someone who gets you, has your back, makes you laugh, that you can chat to the tiny hours with etc etc

On all sides of any argument you’ll get that. No one gets the moral high ground when it descends into insults.

Sadly, it’s usually one side who start it - the ones wanting to force their opinions onto others…

Totally agree,

It's bad for everyone tbh

These people are unhinged. Most men and women are lovely people. MN just attracts the wrong people.

I'm fortunate to have an abundance of positive male and female relationships. Had I paid attention to MN that would not be possible.

Take care of yourself ☺️

If you agree why do you resort to insults in (some) of your posts?
Why are you ‘one of those people’?

I just read another thread where you called women "bitter tramps", so not sure you are in a position to criticise the average MN poster.

I don't have a high opinion of those who celebrate someone's human rights being taken away. That's for men and women. Hope that helps.

This thread seems to have been detailed by @TooBigForMyBoots and @EmpathyMatters77 having a squabble.

'Misandry' is not the equal opposite of misogyny. What you are referring to as misandry on here is a handful of individual women posters who may hate men. Often due to appalling and repeated personal experience. And, possibly also discussions of evidenced harmful behaviour that is male patterned, when people say 'men' rather than 'some men'.
In no way does this compare with misogyny which, at best is the attitude of seeing women as inferior to men, at worst as people to abuse, rape and murder because of our sex.
Misogyny is a global issue that has been with us since men realised they were physically stronger and able to control us. It has had widespread impact on the quality of our lives, opportunities and safety.
Misandry is a personal feeling some women have, that is largely toothless, but is wheeled out by some misogynists to justify themselves.

When women are out in gangs on the streets, hollering abuse at every male passing for the size of their dicks or their lack of / over the top quality of muscles. When women are out in gangs attacking men in the streets, filming the attacks and laughing. When women are regularly killing their own kids and sexually abusing everything they see. When women actually start wars and blame men. When women routinely write history and dismiss all male achievements. When women name men as ‘Mr femalename’ and claim male achievements for their own. When women routinely make workplaces toxic for all men, have complete control over law and can ensure that their own work is highly paid and mens’ can be ignored. God i could gp on forever couldnt I.

When women can police what men wear, because men are not safe around women whatever they wear but can be blamed for women’s attacks anyway. When women behave like men to the extent that they can force all men to wear shrouds ban them from education, and not be heard by another woman or else they’ll be beaten up. When women can freely walk across the world without fear - bloody hell it would be nice for women to have freedom of travel across the towncentre. When women are screaming in mens faces and assaulting them because they want to take the terms of ‘man’ and ‘male’ for themselves, and how dare they complain about the known violence of these fictional women. When everyone knows that children and men are not physically safe around women, but still these new women constantly whine about the attitude of men disliking them. I really can go on forever.

Then, only then, and not before, can anyone seriously justify the use of the term ‘misandry’ as in any way equal to ‘misogyny’. Until then these constant complaints about womens attitudes to the most dangerous, most malicious and most vicious animal on the planet, IS misogyny.

Below is a short film reversing sex roles that became very famous for a short time and was then, like all brief wake up calls, forgotten and mostly buried.
https://laughingsquid.com/oppressed-majority-a-short-film-about-a-man-subjected-to-gender-harassment-in-female-dominated-society/

This is terrible, led by social media and immaturity.

I remember back in the day a story of a boy dumping a girl. The girl made the boy agree to tell everyone that the girl had dumped the boy so that she could save face. I don't know if the girls actually believed it but the point is that he went along with it to all his mates.

So even then, both were aware if the stigma for a girl of being dumped by a boy. The boy could obviously just brush it off as one element in his life. But for the girl not being wanted by a male felt defining.

In that case. I know of cases where it's been the other way round except the girl let just one or two close friends know the truth, they let one or two others know. Soon he was a laughing stock.

Yes. People will always have an anecdote that makes boys victims and put girls in the wrong.
Doesn't really change the big picture of how the world works though, does it?
Toxic masculinity that frames a boy who's lost his girlfriend as a laughing stock is an off shoot of misogyny.

He was a laughing stock because of the failed cover up. Relationships end, no big deal for anyone else. Your girl and my boy(s) obviously think they are high up on everyone's radar. Nothing to do with misogyny or misandry.

Well colour me surprised.