Misandry and Mumsnet

[estrogone]

Is it acceptable to hate on men openly without apology? Would it be ok of it were the other way round.

As a woman and mother of sons, the attitudes and comments on MN border on hate speech and I think Mumsnet HQ should do something about it.

Is this really how we want to balance the scales?

E: spelling

I do think that is a bit of a myth, to be honest.

Men who can't control their temper can be very dangerous. The fact that the behaviour stems from a mental health problem makes their partners and children no safer. If a woman is abused by a man for whatever reason, the responsible advice is to get herself and her children to a safe space. She can continue to support from there if she wants to.
Women who post on here about their own anger issues are actually given a very hard time in many cases. I have seen women branded 'abusers' for single instances of loss of temper and roundly shamed, told their partners should leave them, even when there is no risk to the man. Because as usual women are held to a very high standard of behaviour.
Yes advice can be women centred, but what would you expect on a site where predominantly women are seeking advice from other women and in the context of a world where men pose a vastly greater risk to us than we do to them?
I don't believe people with your view point are men. I think you are women who aren't differentiating between discussions of patterns in male behaviour and a personal attack on the men you love.
Ime decent men don't come onto MN to scold women for 'misandry' they've usually seen enough bad male behaviour themselves to agree. There's a handful of MRA on here but they're usually easy to spot.

You are spot on OP, and it helps nobody.

Misandry is rife on this site, and sadly the admims seem not to care.

This is part of what is fuelling sexism, opposite and equal reactions and all that.

Buĺlshit!🙄

Misandry is the victim mentality of misogynists. When men rightfully point out that they are victims of men violence are they being misandrist?

No.

Misandry is a load of shite. Invented by inadequate men to excuse their abusive treatment of women.

"Sexism is just invented by women who hate men"

"Racism is just invented by minorities who hate white people"

"Religious bigotry does not exist, it's all just anti Christian"

Yep, I can spout pish too. Go do some research and come back when educated.

Sexism is just invented by women who hate men

Are you being serious? Are you denying sex based oppression happens to women across the world? Or that it has been happening for millenia?

I acknowledge your contribution to pish on the internet @EmpathyMatters77 .🙏

No I'm saying that it's easy to write dumb comments.

Hatred of anyone, women or men is wrong. It's shocking this needs to be explained to you.

The idiot response is to think that sexism against women is best countered by sexism towards men. In fact all sexism is wrong.

If you dont think hatred of men is a thing, literally look at any post on here where a husband is responsible for a minor infraction.

Misandry is not hatred of men. It's the fevered victim mentality of misogynists. They never blame men for misandry.🤷‍♀️

I bow to your obvious expertise on writing dumb comments.🙏

You need to read a dictionary Hun, "Misandry is not hatred of men." It is literally the definition.

I'm sorry for what ever happened to make you this way. ,❤️

Language is too nuanced for some people to understand the difference between hatred and frustration.

Or that being pro something doesn’t automatically mean you’re anti the opposing side.

The irony of making language so binary amuses me greatly.

I'd get that if it was used in conjunction with male violence against other men. But it's not. It's a term used by sad, inadequate men to blame women for their failure.🤷‍♀️

Don't be sorry because I grew up in an equal household with a feminist mother @EmpathyMatters77 . It was a gift that I wish more women had when they were growing up.❤️

What an insightful, helpful post.

Some women have had horrible experiences at the hands of men, and vice versa. The trick is not to blame the whole group.

Hatred of an entire sex/gender only makes things worse and will cause more issues.

Women who openly hate men give justification to men who hate women. The opposite is true also.

If find yourself hating a whole group, you need help ❤️

This is actually a form of intelligence. If you look at standard IQ tears you get questions like: "if you have 10 apples, and 3 are red is it accurate to say all the apples are red?" Etc.

People who cannot differentiate between an individual bad man/women and the whole group are no better than racists.

If you find yourself crying misandry when women talk of their, justified, fear of male violence or men talk of their justified fear of male violence, you need help.

If you hate on women for calling it out, you definitely need help.

I do worry about young boys being exposed to people who say things like "men are trash", or "I hate men" as it makes them more likely to find solace in an Andrew Tate etc.

Likewise, it harms young girls too who are having the perception of the other gender warped by bitter people with an axe to grind.

All this is is true in reverse in regards to hatred of women (pushes women into hateful feminism, warps the perspective of young boys)

I wouldn't do that. If a woman is taking about being abused then empathy is needed.

If she overreaches from "the man who abused me is scum" (fair), to "all men are scum" then I think it's okay to gently correct her.

Likewise if a man or boy says they have been victimised, I don't think it's acceptable for you to derail with "OMG hatred against men is not real, your experience didn't happen"

I am always suspicious of those who wish to gently correct women who've suffered abuse.

Being abused is not a licence to hate people who did nothing to you.

As I said, It doesn't take many posts for the misandry🙄 whingers to reveal their misogyny.

Gently correct abused women? Are you one of them men who accuse abused women of weoponising their trauma @EmpathyMatters77?

You know this is a waste of my time. As said before I'm sorry for whatever made you this way.

Hatred of a whole group is not healthy, get help dear.

I think some do it on purpose though sadly.

I've told you what made me this way @EmpathyMatters77. Did you miss it because a woman wrote it?🤔

Who are you apologising to?
What are you apologising for?